Does AC do anything on this server???

[Bazia]

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm personally tired of the crying. This servers pretty fucking good judging from the event, and felt more classic then any emu I've played on. People need to shut the fuck up, especially this Wehrmacht.

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[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm personally tired of the crying. This servers pretty fucking good judging from the event, and felt more classic then any emu I've played on. Expecting shit to be 100% perfect after a month of beta, with 100 different opinions people quoting shit from horrible first person opinion threads from 2001. People need to shut the fuck up, especially this Wehrmacht fucker and just go with it, post bugs on the pvp bug forum with good parses and statistical evidence. Character A with this weapon and this much str/attack against etc etc backing it all up with screenshots and large sample sizes because holy shit, EQ is a fucking RNG based game. It's the reason these types of games are barely considered competitive because of the random nature of how shit can go down.

I don't know if this is coherent, but some of the fucking faggot nerds on this forum need to take a step back and realise some shit won't be exactly how your memory of a 12 year old game is.

Typical response from the guy who's hoping/praying AC will remain broken for a boost on his "pvp event winning rogue" *cough*

But back to the topic,

Just from the two logs I can see that it's seriously messed up. The trade off on some classes, like a bard, is your HPs are freakin low but you get to wear plate to boost your AC.

Yeah you could release the server and fix it later, I won't complain because I want to try some winter mmorpgs and more time on R99 the better, but this needs some real looking at.

I don't want this to be another vztz where ac is practically void.

[Lovely]

Well when we did these tests we tested a lot more then these screenshots. What we noticed was that AC didn't seem to change the damage on the hits that actually landed. If you have 400 AC or 700 AC it seem to be hit for about the same numbers. However AC makes the person MISS a lot more that's what it seems to do. If you don't count dodge/riposte/parry etc you'll see a shitloads of more misses on the people with HIGH AC.

[PVPBetaChamps]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I don't want this to be another vztz where i was anally penetrated by every guild and player on the box because I was terrible

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[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by PVPBetaChamps [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is 0 info to be gained from these retarded "logs". Please fucking learn how to parse information and present it in a way that is somewhat fucking coherent.

If Mimix's math is right, the wizard in cloth mitigated damage better than the rogue with much higher *real* AC. This is something you wouldn't see even with a small sample size on EQ live.

The real question is, is Null putting in these bogus VZTZ mechanics in place of legit P99 ones on purpose? I was under the impression P99 had already reverse engineered all the important melee combat formulas.

There was a patch that reduced the effectiveness of AC in EQ live PvP, so worst case scenario, if they were missing this information, you could parse the effectiveness of mitigation on the Zek server, then adjust it to compensate for the percent AC was lowered by.

I might do this parse myself. I just don't feel much purpose in doing so if Null is going to alter every mechanic on the server on purpose to create his vision of EQ PvP without caring how normal EQ is supposed to work.

Originally Posted by Silikten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also thought that AC lowers the max hit cap

No, it's a damage interval 20 system, higher AC only adjusts how often each number occurs. It shifts the distribution pattern downwards.

[Doors]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real question is, is Null putting in these bogus VZTZ mechanics in place of legit P99 ones on purpose?

Seriously loling right now. Its a conspiracy man, it has to be.

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[gloinz]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously loling right now. Its a conspiracy man, it has to be.

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[Lovely]

Originally Posted by PVPBetaChamps [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is 0 info to be gained from these retarded "logs". Please fucking learn how to parse information and present it in a way that is somewhat fucking coherent.


edit: this was meant for Lovely's thread, but fuck it I'm leaving it to piss off wehr

How about you people that don't even play on the beta stfu and go hide in a corner? I'm not trying to post some perfect logs that shows exactly how things are. But when I notice something being a bit strange on beta then ill test it out a little and if it still seem strange then ill take some screenshots and post it here and if the Developers or other players think that the numbers seem to be off then we can just hope that the Developers look into it and test it themselves. (which they have done so far on every point that the peoplez on the FORUMZ have made)

If they think the numbers like this are fine, then fine. If not then we get a little tweak to the system.

[Aesop]

a killshot on a rogue with a 9/19 weapon in a ganksquad means nothing statistically.

[Prova]

From what I've seen, Lovely is the only person making any effort at all to do legitimate empirical testing. Without her/him, we would just have a slough of posts describing how 'stuff feels right' or some similarly useless drivel.

So what if the sample sizes are small and the conclusions drawn are skewed from a relatively narrow experience base. This sort of stuff is the backbone of how the game is going to play and feel. We could honestly use more of it.