Solo Barbarian Shaman Stat Allocation

[loramin]

Before 60 no one is maxing any stats, so I'be been assuming the conversation starts at 60: personally I'm not even trying to discuss <60 here. And when it comes to 60 (as I keep repeating), in all the fights I've listed what's hard isn't running out of mana ... it's running out of life before slow lands.

So are you thinking of different fights, or are you disagreeing and arguing that in A4/Crypt/WW Dragons/etc. the hard part is running out of mana?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Before 60 no one is maxing any stats, so I'be been assuming the conversation starts at 60: personally I'm not even trying to discuss <60 here. And when it comes to 60 (as I keep repeating), in all the fights I've listed what's hard isn't running out of mana ... it's running out of life before slow lands.

So are you thinking of different fights, or are you disagreeing and arguing that in A4/Crypt/WW Dragons/etc. the hard part is running out of mana?

Ok, so if we start at 60 then my points you were complaining about stand lol. Being level 60 is endgame, and people do decide to raid even though they say they won't. I am not sure why you are straddling this really thin line to try and be right.

WIS basically no matter what. Pre 60 it doesn't matter, and at 60 you will probably be at STA cap or close to it. If 75HP is the difference between life and death, the problem wasn't your starting stats at level 60. 75HP is half of one melee attack.

[loramin]

P.S. But also (re: <60), when XPing max mana truly doesn't matter. I never died, not even once, in my entire journey to 60, because I started at max mana, used it all up, and died at the end for the lack of just a bit more mana.

However, I did die (many times) from fights where I started at max HP, and then died because I couldn't gate out fast enough, or root fast enough, or whatever ... and a few more HP might have given me time to get that last survival spell off.

[loramin]

What are you even talking about? Can you just quote where I patronize or misrepresent you so I at least know what terrible thing I've said?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The problem is 75HP just isn't much life when dealing with an unslowed mob. At level 60 that is half of one attack or less. You are maybe gaining 1 extra second of being alive if you were lucky enough for your AC to reduce the damage by half. Getting down to 75 HP should be the rare exception, for when you get really unlucky resists. If you are consistently getting down to 100ish HP in a fight, the fight is just too hard for you. A bit more HP won't solve the issue because an unlucky double attack will still kill you.

And again, you WILL be STA capped at some point when you are 60, so you lose all the benefits anyway. WIS is still useful, because Shaman spells are expensive and an unlucky string of resists will also kill you. Getting 150-250 extra mana from the 25 WIS (which you are less likely to be capped on) means you have enough mana for a gate/root when things don't go your way, which will save you more than 75HP. And again, you can use that extra mana to potentially cannibalize a bit less when at low HP.

Either way it's not going to make much of a difference at level 60. The reason why WIS is superior is simply due to how stats line up with gear/buffs in this era. It's just easier to cap STA on a Shaman.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And again, you WILL be STA capped at some point when you are 60

My wife's had a level 60 Shaman for a decade or so. She is not nor ever has fully capped stamina. When does this automatic stat-capping come into play?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My wife's had a level 60 Shaman for a decade or so. She is not nor ever has fully capped stamina. When does this automatic stat-capping come into play?

It's generally easier to cap STA than WIS. From your description it sounds like you and your wife aren't going super hard on acquiring gear, so I wouldn't expect her stats to be capped.

The point is that you will cap it if you progress your gear.

If you aren't progressing your gear, then starting stats don't matter, because you have a comfort zone already with whatever you are doing. Obviously your wife has enough stats to do all the content that she wants to experience.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is that you will cap it if you progress your gear.

Only if you like to hang out in temple veeshan, and not everyone cares for that. Otherwise it's by no means a given, depending on how strongly you're willing to compromise elsewhere. I do agree stamina is the easier of the two for a shaman to cap out if he wants to cap something, but a player who doesn't want to do high-end raids is more or less going to have to pick how far he cares to go with either and prioritize.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only if you like to hang out in temple veeshan, and not everyone cares for that. Otherwise it's by no means a given, depending on how strongly you're willing to compromise elsewhere. I do agree stamina is the easier of the two for a shaman to cap out if he wants to cap something, but a player who doesn't want to do high-end raids is more or less going to have to pick how far he cares to go with either and prioritize.

Danth

You don't need to hang out in ToV to cap your STA. You can buy a Vindi BP, for example. A lot of my ToV gear doesn't even have STA, and I am capped.

[ArbiterBlixen]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only if you like to hang out in temple veeshan, and not everyone cares for that. Otherwise it's by no means a given, depending on how strongly you're willing to compromise elsewhere. I do agree stamina is the easier of the two for a shaman to cap out if he wants to cap something, but a player who doesn't want to do high-end raids is more or less going to have to pick how far he cares to go with either and prioritize.

Danth

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]anthswife

Here’s a magelo I set up to see what a wis build would look like. I swapped the ears out for the chardok ears cause i was well over wis cap. Hit 196 stamina with only two dedicated stamina items (ears). She’s rocking a vindi bp too, and although that may not be something you have access to, it more common than not on a shammy main. But the point is, if stamina cap is your goal you can hit it easily. So if you’re really wondering when she’ll hit cap, It will happen when she devotes any minor effort towards doing so. Oh also this is a barbarian. Trolls and ogres would be over sta cap with this setup.