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[Keebz]

I believe the open raids provide a net good for the community. There is no doubt about that. Let's please keep them going!

However, the ostensible purpose of the open raids is somewhat murky due to their origins. The missing context is they largely came about as a result of a compromise between the top raiding guild and the rest of the server with regards to sharing the limited end game content.

So I believe they can simultaneously be an undeniable good for the community and yet flawed as a compromise.

[Phatez]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe the open raids provide a net good for the community. There is no doubt about that. Let's please keep them going!

However, the ostensible purpose of the open raids is somewhat murky due to their origins. The missing context is they largely came about as a result of a compromise between the top raiding guild and the rest of the server with regards to sharing the limited end game content.

So I believe they can simultaneously be an undeniable good for the community and yet flawed as a compromise.

The origin of the open raids actually exists far before that. Green server first naggy and vox were open raids. Seal Team hosted monthly open raids up until the merge. After the merge Seal Team proposed open raids to the UN and was shot down. It was only when the Federation proposed bag limits and rotations that ST was able to push through the open raids proposals. Yes it was a compromise, but not on ST side... it was a compromise of the other guilds who wanted exclusive raids for themselves.

[Nuggie]

Originally Posted by Phatez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The origin of the open raids actually exists far before that. Green server first naggy and vox were open raids. Seal Team hosted monthly open raids up until the merge. After the merge Seal Team proposed open raids to the UN and was shot down. It was only when the Federation proposed bag limits and rotations that ST was able to push through the open raids proposals. Yes it was a compromise, but not on ST side... it was a compromise of the other guilds who wanted exclusive raids for themselves.

That's how I recall it going. Someone else needs to stop trying to direct the narrative to his/her purpose. Whatever that purpose it.

Also, any chance is better than no chance. Which is what non top guild members have without open raids.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by Phatez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The origin of the open raids actually exists far before that. Green server first naggy and vox were open raids. Seal Team hosted monthly open raids up until the merge. After the merge Seal Team proposed open raids to the UN and was shot down. It was only when the Federation proposed bag limits and rotations that ST was able to push through the open raids proposals. Yes it was a compromise, but not on ST side... it was a compromise of the other guilds who wanted exclusive raids for themselves.

Oh interesting. Thanks for sharing that perspective. Well the open raids are great. Thank you for pushing for those! I can't stress how thankful I am for these raids.

However, by definition, a compromise is an agreement based on concessions between two parties—it is never one sided. If open raids were "pushed through" as a compromise with regards to sharing end game content, it is only reasonable to assess the open raids on the basis of how fairly and equitably they achieve said goal of content sharing. Namely, if they do not achieve the intended goals further efforts should be made beyond open raids.