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[Heebs13]

I think you have an error in your buff lines: major shielding from the Stave of Shielding does not seem to stack with FoS. It also will not stack with Yaulp IV.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you have an error in your buff lines: major shielding from the Stave of Shielding does not seem to stack with FoS. It also will not stack with Yaulp IV.

Great catch on the Focus/Shielding stacking, thank you! I've fixed that in the page.

The Yaulp IV thing is ... interesting. Lucy agrees with you 100% about FoS and Stave not stacking, but not about Yaulp IV (if you follow the link you'll see that no versions of Yaulp are listed, and similarly Major Shielding isn't listed on the Yaulp IV page).

It's possible Yaulp IV didn't stack in classic, and SoE later changed it to stack, but that seems unlikely. So if the two don't stack here but they do on Lucy, there's a decent chance it's a mistake. I'll file a bug on it: if the devs have classic evidence to the contrary I'll fix the page to indicate that Yaulp IV doesn't stack, but maybe this will turn out to be a classic fix.

But before I file a bug I just want to double-check: are you 100% certain Yaulp IV and Major Shielding don't stack (don't want to waste dev time)?

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great catch on the Focus/Shielding stacking, thank you! I've fixed that in the page.

The Yaulp IV thing is ... interesting. Lucy agrees with you 100% about FoS and Stave not stacking, but not about Yaulp IV (if you follow the link you'll see that no versions of Yaulp are listed, and similarly Major Shielding isn't listed on the Yaulp IV page).

It's possible Yaulp IV didn't stack in classic, and SoE later changed it to stack, but that seems unlikely. So if the two don't stack here but they do on Lucy, there's a decent chance it's a mistake. I'll file a bug on it: if the devs have classic evidence to the contrary I'll fix the page to indicate that Yaulp IV doesn't stack, but maybe this will turn out to be a classic fix.

But before I file a bug I just want to double-check: are you 100% certain Yaulp IV and Major Shielding don't stack (don't want to waste dev time)?

I am absolutely certain that Yaulp IV and Major Shielding do not stack.

[Sun Feb 03 09:08:56 2019] You begin casting Yaulp IV.
[Sun Feb 03 09:08:56 2019] Your spell did not take hold.
[Sun Feb 03 09:09:26 2019] Your shielding fades.
[Sun Feb 03 09:09:27 2019] You begin casting Yaulp IV.
[Sun Feb 03 09:09:28 2019] You feel a surge of strength as you let forth a mighty yaulp.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you have an error in your buff lines: major shielding from the Stave of Shielding does not seem to stack with FoS. It also will not stack with Yaulp IV.

If memory serves FOS indeed does NOT stack w/ the Mage "Shielding" line of spells, but I'm fairly certain it should have no problem stacking w/ the Yaulp line....

[Muggens]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If memory serves FOS indeed does NOT stack w/ the Mage "Shielding" line of spells, but I'm fairly certain it should have no problem stacking w/ the Yaulp line....

Correct, shielding does not stack with FoS

[Trzzle]

Warsong is not V2. Even your Lucy link says that. The buff stacks in that you receive the AC and STR, the hastes do not stack.

Erjav: Increase Haste v2 by 10%
vs
Warsong: Increase Attack Speed by 15% (L7) to 40% (L41)

Good list there's just a bunch of stacking errors it looks like. Strength of Nature (ATK) is missing, it overwrites Grim Aura line buffs.

[Legidias]

Unlike other class buffs, even if part or all of a bard song doesn't stack with another buff, it will still land (won't stack with other bard songs though). That's why it can get confusing.

I have not proc'd song of the deep seas myself, but have had it proc'd on me. I honestly can't say for certain aboiut testing it in game, but I doubt a 60% haste would stack with all other hastes.

Similarly with warsong, even the lvl 60 song which requires instrument to play only increases V2 haste by 10%, whereas the listed amount for warsong is like 25%.

Warsong and deep seas buffs are mainly beneficial in the stat boost rather than the haste.

I feel like 99% of the p99 population (bard or otherwise) would probably agree those hastes don't stack.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unlike other class buffs, even if part or all of a bard song doesn't stack with another buff, it will still land (won't stack with other bard songs though). That's why it can get confusing.

Every other buff on the page (and in EQ in general) is nice and simple: if it's listed on another buff's Lucy's stacking page, then it doesn't stack with that buff ... and otherwise it does. But no, you bards have to make things difficult [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry about the confusion, but I think I get it now, and I'll get the bard haste section cleaned up.

Originally Posted by Trzzle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Strength of Nature (ATK) is missing, it overwrites Grim Aura line buffs.

I'll add Strength of Nature later too (would do it now but I have guests inc).

Thank you both for taking the time to help me understand your strange Bardic world [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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