Class(es) that get most/least mileage from BiS

[Cecily]

Velious was beat in Kunark gear, btw.

[fiveeauxfour]

BIS monk gets pretty strong. Damage output and tankiness gets crazy, especially with discs rolling. It's like playing a different class when you get some top tier gear.

Necro vp staff also changes the class substantially.

Least milage would probably be the int casters. Though they do get access to the clicky robes and larger mana pools, the classes still play the same, it just allows players to unclench their assholes when playing.

[Siberious]

Originally Posted by fiveeauxfour [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BIS monk gets pretty strong. Damage output and tankiness gets crazy, especially with discs rolling. It's like playing a different class when you get some top tier gear.

Necro vp staff also changes the class substantially.

Least milage would probably be the int casters. Though they do get access to the clicky robes and larger mana pools, the classes still play the same, it just allows players to unclench their assholes when playing.

Can you provide some examples of the substantial change in necromancer with VP staff? I have VP staff and it doesn't enable me to do any new content. It's sometimes nice solo when I'm lom and get adds. I think the necro epic is more powerful due to not losing Mana to snare resists while adding more free dmg. Vexing is better in almost all cases than VP staff and Vexing is resisted much less than snares.

I do love clickies though and the VP staff is damn fun.

P.S. I don't consider using HEBs combined with VP staff to speed up medding when I die solo/group/raid wipe as a substantial change. Getting a clicky Regen from a druid and afking or just afking when solo is less work and just as effective.

[Atmas]

In a lot of cases having some particular clickies both in general and class specific really makes a significant difference.

In terms of straight stats I think at this point in the timeline melees get more bang for the buck. On my Paladin I've gotten geared enough to be able to tank a lot of the harder end game content. Having a decent mana pool allows me to heal other melee through a lot of fights. Clickies like flowers, strings, beads, sow sword, etc give a lot of utility and survivability.

[commongood]

Originally Posted by Siberious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you provide some examples of the substantial change in necromancer with VP staff? I have VP staff and it doesn't enable me to do any new content. It's sometimes nice solo when I'm lom and get adds. I think the necro epic is more powerful due to not losing Mana to snare resists while adding more free dmg. Vexing is better in almost all cases than VP staff and Vexing is resisted much less than snares.

I do love clickies though and the VP staff is damn fun.

P.S. I don't consider using HEBs combined with VP staff to speed up medding when I die solo/group/raid wipe as a substantial change. Getting a clicky Regen from a druid and afking or just afking when solo is less work and just as effective.

I get where you're coming from. Getting the VP staff was somewhat less "ZOMG" than I had envisioned. If we're talking about soloing hard to do stuff then Vexing is a MUST and Soulwell won't cut it. Like when you're Deflux tanking unslowed lvl 55 mobs the 122 heal per tick of Vexing is unbeatable and the scaling of Soulwell makes it a non-starter.

Where I've found the most use for VP staff has been when trying to be more effective on raids. Like when on an encounter where you can't really sit down then it's very nice to use the stick for free healing on yourself while twitching away. Then it does very much matter that you aren't spending ~500 mana on a Vexing. It's also nice with Manna Robe though that interaction is very min/max'ing.

Same when soloing trivial stuff it just makes you more effecient.

[kjs86z]

Its more about having clickies vs. not having clickies where you start to see insane powerspikes.

Its probably warrior for raids then shaman / monk / enc for solo content capabilities (see Kelz soloing spore king, etc).

Still, I stress, you could be in crap gear with every clicky in the world and be far more effective than an equipped-only full BiS with empty bags.

[Wonkie]

rogue needs epic and primal then its just pointless hpquest

[Cecily]

If mob hp > 0 continue to backstab. The primal and Vyemm’s Fang are really just so everyone else can get on with their day 2-3 seconds sooner. You owe it to yourself and the rest of your guild to put in years of raiding to make that happen.

[Wikipedia]

I mean in terms of an item's stat budget, Necro and Shaman are the main two that can get genuine demonstrable use of a +100hp/+100mana Vulak item or whatever in practically every situation, especially on non-aoe bosses where other classes can get zero value from HP.

That said you could argue that both those classes have limits in terms of usefulness, i.e. shamans can dump extra mana into nukes but on velious content the only nuke that lands well on bosses only does like 2 DPM max so yeah.

[Nexii]

Warrior gets the most benefit.