Resist Check and Charm Question

[Triiz]

Originally Posted by kuuky [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While we are talking charm, how important is 200 cha for a bard to charm effectively?

Just to go a step further than what was already said, I leveled my bard 55-60 almost exclusively charming with around 115-120 CHA and I can't think of a single instance of charm breaking early on a blue mob.

In my experience, CHA's importance to bard charming is very overstated on p99. With an Enchanter, higher CHA has a very noticeable effect on charm durations. For a bard, at least for me, either charm landed or it didn't.

A little piece of my soul dies every time I see a "WTB CHA twink gear for bard" auction.

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've leveled 3 enchanters (one sold when selling for plat was legal) and I can remember plenty of instances when tash fades and the charm continues for plenty of time. Maybe that's a coincidence but show me some solid evidence - not from live in 1999 or on the TLPs right now, from P99.

You done a test?

Me and an old pal Propo test a theory on once you break 200 charisma, charm length becomes much more stable (so is there a need to go to 255?). I'll see if I can dig that out, it was done in City of Mist pre-Velious. That was actual testing and not getting emotional at someone else's words on a forum because you disagree with them [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll try and test this out tonight or tomorrow on my druid, interesting topic. Can compare keeping glamour on VS dispelling it after charm and see average duration.

[Egilmn]

Originally Posted by Triiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A little piece of my soul dies every time I see a "WTB CHA twink gear for bard" auction.

Does it? What of bard lull and crit resists? Does charisma not affect bard lull? If it does then any bard who doesn't value charisma would be bad. Otherwise carry on.

[mickmoranis]

mob level check > CHA check > MR check in that order, or something like that order... but yea

[Izmael]

You are all wrong.

A charm duration is determined by two things:

- If you are sending the pet into 5+ mobs, the pet has 80% chance to break as he aggroes the mobs

- If you give 10k+ worth of gear to the pet, the pet has 90% chance to break next tick and will also become immune to stuns for a brief period.


These stats were compiled from a big sample of breaks.

[branamil]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

mob level check > CHA check > MR check in that order, or something like that order... but yea

In my experience CHA matters less than MR.

Barely notice a difference going from 150 to 250 cha.

We need to do a test:

100 charms with no Tash and 150 CHA.

100 charms with no Tash and 250 CHA.

100 charms with Tash and 150 CHA.

100 charms with Tash and 250 CHA.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Sancta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Care you post them? I'm curious

Sure I'll dig around when I get home today. Nothing on the wiki but as I researched bard in the classic era when Troxx was new here it came up multiple times. The consensus was that the level of the song and your skill at either singing or instrument was the most important factor with dexerity being a secondary check and charisma being the third and least important check.

Bard songs are so short in duration that charisma is functionally most important for lulling. For His reason alone charisma is an important bard stat. Having charisma float in the mid 100s in standard gear with a few + cha pieces to situationally bump up to the 200 range is very important for any bard. In the post-monk fd/sneak change era bards become one of the strongest pullers in the game. Splitting a tough, unbroken camp as a bard with low charisma is no bueno.

Anecdotally (always to be taken with a grain of salt) I have never appreciated a difference in mez chance success and resist rates. Charm duration is so short it again, doesn't matter much.

Anecdotally (again, not worth much) missed notes are fewer when charisma buffed.

[Triiz]

Originally Posted by Egilmn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does it? What of bard lull and crit resists? Does charisma not affect bard lull? If it does then any bard who doesn't value charisma would be bad. Otherwise carry on.

Since you don't know the answer to that question, I can only assume you've never played a bard .

My post was specific to charm, yes it impacts lull but that doesn't change the fact it makes no sense for a bard to walk around in Opalline earrings/+7CHA rings/+7CHA Bracers if they're not expecting to lull something in the next 2 minutes or chain lull over a long period of time. This is especially true at low levels and of higher level bards that mostly solo.

A kobold's jester crown gives +30 CHA in one slot and is easily obtainable, Neriad Shawl gives +25CHA in one slot and is relatively easily obtainable on this server later in levels. I stand by my statement.

[Troxx]

Sources for charisma and missed notes:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...08&postcount=5

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...7&postcount=14

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...95&postcount=5

There's a lot more but I'm lazy.