We Are Supposed to Eat Animals !

[Vaye]

everyone is an expert when it comes to nutrition and politics lul.

if eating animals is so "natural" then why do humans have to use all sorts of tools to kill, cook, and flavor it to make it palatable? do you see any other species that does this? do you naturally salivate at the thought of ripping through your live prey's flesh, enjoying chewing through the fur and blood and all? because any other species that was designed for killing has those types of natural responses. none of you meat eaters would be willing to be faced with that reality. in fact, someone who did this would be sent to a mental institution.

this topic also triggers you because you know it's wrong, which is why you're so defensive and feel the need to make this thread and talk down to someone about their life choices which are different from your own. i'm confident with my own choice to be a vegetarian, so i don't have this insecurity where i need to convince other people i'm right so i'm okay about it.

what about all the american moms that feed their kids these mcdonalds diets who become blimps? which is worse? and who are you to decide how a mother is to raise her child. you need to just mind your own business.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Vaye [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

everyone is an expert when it comes to nutrition and politics lul.

if eating animals is so "natural" then why do humans have to use all sorts of tools to kill, cook, and flavor it to make it palatable? do you see any other species that does this? do you naturally salivate at the thought of ripping through your live prey's flesh, enjoying chewing through the fur and blood and all? because any other species that was designed for killing has those types of natural responses. none of you meat eaters would be willing to be faced with that reality.

There are lots of people who would and do kill animals. So the last part of your argument is just silly ^^ I wouldn't, but I've already admitted that ^^ As for preparation, I imagine you just pull your potatoes straight out of the ground and pop them in your mouth? Cooking was a pivotal advancement toward civilization. You know why? It takes less time to consume & process nutrient dense flesh when it is cooked.

this topic also triggers you because you know it's wrong, which is why you're so defensive and feel the need to make this thread and talk down to someone about their life choices which are different from your own. i'm confident with my own choice to be a vegetarian, so i don't have this insecurity where i need to convince other people i'm right so i'm okay about it.

what about all the american moms that feed their kids these mcdonalds diets who become blimps? which is worse? and who are you to decide how a mother is to raise her child. you need to just mind your own business.

What frustrates me is when people's delusions foster misery. Veganism/vegetarianism is largely harmless, but when a mother endangers her own child because of a ridiculous sense of moral piety derived from a practice that if made universal would result in widespread misery as I've explained above. But of course you're right, the fact that other people do stupid and irresponsible things excuses this particular stupid and irresponsible thing.

I battle delusion wherever I encounter it because it is in the interest of humanity.

Compassion in the absence of reason is only by accident ever more than selfishness.

[Vaye]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I battle delusion wherever I encounter it because it is in the interest of humanity.

gee, how righteous. and ironic that you don't see how delusional it is yourself to think that your ignorant posts on an elf simulator forum are actually going to do anything to improve humanity. solid.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Vaye [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gee, how righteous. and ironic that you don't see how delusional it is yourself to think that your ignorant posts on an elf simulator forum are actually going to do anything to improve humanity. solid.

The exchange of ideas is valuable ^^ Whether you are able to learn from it or not, there is a chance that I may, or someone else may ^^. And even if nobody learns anything there is a chance it will lead to another exchange of ideas.

[Csihar]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The exchange of ideas is valuable ^^ Whether you are able to learn from it or not, there is a chance that I may, or someone else may ^^. And even if nobody learns anything there is a chance it will lead to another exchange of ideas.

This is why I like you. Also, the reach-arounds.

[Vaye]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The exchange of ideas is valuable ^^ Whether you are able to learn from it or not, there is a chance that I may, or someone else may ^^. And even if nobody learns anything there is a chance it will lead to another exchange of ideas.

yea b/c coming into a discussion telling someone they're wrong and delusional is such a productive and healthy way of exchanging ideas. 10/10

[Csihar]

Originally Posted by Vaye [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

everyone is an expert when it comes to nutrition and politics lul.

if eating animals is so "natural" then why do humans have to use all sorts of tools to kill, cook, and flavor it to make it palatable? do you see any other species that does this? do you naturally salivate at the thought of ripping through your live prey's flesh, enjoying chewing through the fur and blood and all? because any other species that was designed for killing has those types of natural responses. none of you meat eaters would be willing to be faced with that reality.

this topic also triggers you because you know it's wrong, which is why you're so defensive and feel the need to make this thread and talk down to someone about their life choices which are different from your own. i'm confident with my own choice to be a vegetarian, so i don't have this insecurity where i need to convince other people i'm right so i'm okay about it.

what about all the american moms that feed their kids these mcdonalds diets who become blimps? which is worse? and who are you to decide how a mother is to raise her child. you need to just mind your own business.

You raise good points. I would point out though, in all fairness, that we did evolve eating meat and it would be a necessity if we couldn't fortify foods with vitamin B12. All the other nutrients can be found in plant-based food. To call us carnivores is retarded but despite the fact that it's odd that we need tools to eat meat, we ultimately did use tools and we now have a need for B12.

We can now use other tools to fortify food with B12. And that's why people who eat meat but have a vitamin B12 deficiency due to differing reasons can be helped (and not by "eating more meat!") and don't die.

I dislike the discussion because I've seen every argument a hundred times. If meat was somehow an inconvenience and tasted like broccoli we wouldn't be having this discussion. Less than 0,01% of the population eats meat because "they need it". They eat it because it tastes good and because it's convenient. That 0,01% accounts for people with specific intestinal disorders.

Personally I don't think it triggers maskedmelon because he knows it's wrong. Not at all. I think it's due to a bunch of reasons. First, some vocal vegans/vegetarians are really, really annoying and self-righteous. I do want to mention that I think this is often overstated. We all have our subconscious image of a "normal person" (and subconsciously normal = good) and any action by someone that deviates from this "normal person" is much more noticable. If your "normal person" image is that of a white male heterosexual then some gay guy being an ass will make you think "God, gay people are asses" whereas if a white male heterosexual was being an ass you just think "God, people are asses". Every time a vegan says something annoying it stands out more. Nonetheless, some really are annoying.

Secondly, and more importantly eating meat is normal and natural. Your entire life you are indirectly or directly told and shown that people eat meat. It's imprinted in our image of cavemen. When someone comes along and says something you have held as a normalcy your entire life, partake in every day, see happening every day etc. is something they don't do for ethical reasons and even say that it's wrong... this tends to cause cognitive dissonance. The explanation that "we need meat" yada yada is just a post hoc rationalisation of that dissonance. Not a reaction of stupidity or something that we all know deep down inside is wrong.
This doesn't justify eating meat in the modern world though. Need to remember that "natural = good" is a logical fallacy and that normal is not synonymous with good.

Thirdly, veganism is associated with a bunch of weird shit people do and think. In Dutch there's a word which directly translates as "floaty", referring to people who for example like to refer to themselves as spiritual people. People who get high on life, mother natures heals all their wounds, crystals influence their emotions etc.
These people are annoying (my emotional response) and can be dangerous. Veganism when associated with these lot is seen as some new age horseshit. It is, of course, seperate but I get that people get trigged by people like this woman. "Sunshine and water". Good God, man!

How wrong am I, maskedmelon?

[AzzarTheGod]

meat this, meat that. hit me with a wiffle ball bat

lets talk about the finer points of dust instead. any dustologists here

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

meat this, meat that. hit me with a wiffle ball bat

lets talk about the finer points of dust instead. any dustologists here

I'm not a germ doctor but I may have played one on TV.
http://www.plentyair.com/germguardian-ac4825/
Just dont go broke buying filters. Maybe Dyson is better with those wipe off types

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Whirled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not a germ doctor but I may have played one on TV.
http://www.plentyair.com/germguardian-ac4825/
Just dont go broke buying filters. Maybe Dyson is better with those wipe off types

Nice. Actually this is very helpful. I needed a small unit for my bedroom, its the biggest problem area and this looks perfect.

Now I just need to find a good priced vacuum cleaner that has disposable bags you can throw away and I'll be on my way to great health again circa 2011.