my observations and why I chose not to play

[Stunnah]

Originally Posted by Ashintar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I acknowledge your use of the word "citizen" in your forum name... apparenly you're not...

I don't post here much at all either, but if you're not willing to play on and enjoy this server I dont' see why you're willing to bash it. Thank you for your post, move along now.

Well put [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[nilbog]

*Coddles you as we approach the entrance of free-to-play mountain.*

I glance in your direction and motion ahead. "We have arrived," I say. "I sense you may have concerns about what may lie within. Beyond these gates dwells a collection of big bad volunteers. I hear they do this as a hobby, and eagerly await opinions."

"Perhaps you should just hang around the gates for a while," I continue. "Those whom who have been evicted surely have the best opinions."

How wise you are not to make your own decisions. That's better left to the RPGs.

[Villide]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*Coddles you as we approach the entrance of free-to-play mountain.*

I glance in your direction and motion ahead. "We have arrived," I say. "I sense you may have concerns about what may lie within. Beyond these gates dwells a collection of big bad volunteers. I hear they do this as a hobby, and eagerly await opinions."

"Perhaps you should just hang around the gates for a while," I continue. "Those whom who have been evicted surely have the best opinions."

How wise you are not to make your own decisions. That's better left to the RPGs.

BUT WHAT IF IT'S NOT EVERYTHING I WANT IT TO BE?? WHAT THEN DAMMIT?

OH CRUEL FATES!!

[vinx]

Originally Posted by concerned_citizen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remembering how much time I spent back in 1999 leveling up/playing my character, I thought I should be cautious before investing time here.

Really? any time you invest here or any MMO for that matter will be time lost.

you havent even given the server a chance, or at least given yourself a chance to enjoy what you like about the game
nobody said you need to get 50 and be planar. play how you want and meet some people in the old EQ environment if thats what you are looking for, if not theres really nothing out there thats going to be much different.
and im guessing thats the stage your in right now, your searching but you cant find anything.
no need to flame the server for your lack of enthusiasm.

Originally Posted by concerned_citizen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a composition of observations that I've developed from reading about what goes on on this server on the forums. I write this so that others may get a better idea from my experiences.

Everquest in 1999 was a different world from what P1999 is today. In my opinion, it's not about the game you play or the world that you inhabit, but the people you play with that makes a mmorpg worth playing. It seems many people here don't share that sentiment. Combined with my observation of how the server is run and the rampant selling of characters, I feel P1999 would just be a letdown.

/bye EQC Dev

[Phildorex]

Concerned citizen,

I think you misspelled your name. It should have been "Concern troll"

[Ongbak]

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[Pico]

here is a comprehensive list of reasons why i have chosen not to play your free server, good day

[Rahnza]

Originally Posted by concerned_citizen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. I used to love EC tunnel back in P1999 so I decided to check out how healthy the economy is on this server on the forums. I was disappointed to find such a large array of characters being sold for plat; even this guy named Bob who levels up your character from 1-50 for plat. You see, back in 1999 people actually cared about their character, it wasn't just some commodity that was traded around freely. I know from the many hours I put into my character back then I wouldn't let it go for the world - it was me in an imaginary world. Here, it seems that characters, especially end-game characters, have no connection with the player controlling them. That was very disappointing for me to see and totally destroys the classic-environment of the game for me.

Characters were traded and sold back in classic too, it's just made easier here due to centralized forums. The vast majority of people you play with here have leveled their own char, so who cares.

2. From what I gather concerning GM decisions, I see that many people are punished without any indication, proof, or formal explanation past "we know it from our logs" for the punishment. There doesn't seem to be many immediate punishments either - just ban forever. What is most troublesome to me is that reading through some of these posts of peoples' experiences it seems possible that there was an error in judgment when issuing punishment. Instead, they are just told "you cheated", then mercilessly ridiculed. This sort of environment actually make me afraid to play for fear I'll do something wrong and be banned without ever knowing what I did wrong. The worst part is it seems a majority of the player-base trusts the GM decisions entirely even when no proof is available to them, which, I don't know about anybody else, seems very odd to me.

Valid. Just stay under the radar and don't challenge anything and you'll be fine.

3. It seems to be that power-gaming is the norm here with a rush to the top the goal for many people. I conclude this based off the general interest on the forums in choosing "the most needed classes", "best leveling spots", "best farm spots", account selling, and the number of top-end guilds recruiting 46+ in comparison to the server population. From what I read from guild drama, the end game raiding is basically poop-socking, kill stealing, and feuding over interpretation of the rules - with the GMs supposedly playing sides. Aside from raiding, endgame seems to be all about farming items and plat. If this was the experience of you all back in 1999 then I feel very, very bad and sorry...for you all. For the reasons I've mentioned, this server really doesn't seem any better or worse then the typical WoW server, which I find very disappointing.

If this isn't your playstyle, why does it matter if others are doing this? There's still a huge player base of casual players leveling up 1-50.

4. People seem not to genuinely enjoy the fact that the game is social. Instead, they seem to enjoy doing only that which benefits themselves, and comparing their worth based on the gear they've accumulated on their character. I feel this is the modern mmorpg mindset, something people here proclaim to dislike yet can't avoid themselves. In saying this, I find it hard to believe in the poll on the main page that near 60% of you played back during classic era. The environment of the game was very different then from the attitudes expressed here on the forums. I guess I asked myself at that point, why should somebody want to play a 10 year old game with outdated graphics when the social environment is no different then any modern mmorpgs?

Not sure what you're talking about here buddy.

[Itchybottom]

Originally Posted by concerned_citizen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3. It seems to be that power-gaming is the norm here with a rush to the top the goal for many people. I conclude this based off the general interest on the forums in choosing "the most needed classes", "best leveling spots", "best farm spots", account selling, and the number of top-end guilds recruiting 46+ in comparison to the server population. From what I read from guild drama, the end game raiding is basically poop-socking, kill stealing, and feuding over interpretation of the rules - with the GMs supposedly playing sides. Aside from raiding, endgame seems to be all about farming items and plat. If this was the experience of you all back in 1999 then I feel very, very bad and sorry...for you all. For the reasons I've mentioned, this server really doesn't seem any better or worse then the typical WoW server, which I find very disappointing.

Any MMO is like this. The only time it's not, is when you ignore the crowd and only level with 2 or 3 people.

Originally Posted by concerned_citizen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4. People seem not to genuinely enjoy the fact that the game is social. Instead, they seem to enjoy doing only that which benefits themselves, and comparing their worth based on the gear they've accumulated on their character. I feel this is the modern mmorpg mindset, something people here proclaim to dislike yet can't avoid themselves. In saying this, I find it hard to believe in the poll on the main page that near 60% of you played back during classic era. The environment of the game was very different then from the attitudes expressed here on the forums. I guess I asked myself at that point, why should somebody want to play a 10 year old game with outdated graphics when the social environment is no different then any modern mmorpgs?

Again... any MMO. Just because your original participation in EverQuest somehow differed, I assure you this behavior is not new.

Originally Posted by concerned_citizen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everquest in 1999 was a different world from what P1999 is today. In my opinion, it's not about the game you play or the world that you inhabit, but the people you play with that makes a mmorpg worth playing. It seems many people here don't share that sentiment. Combined with my observation of how the server is run and the rampant selling of characters, I feel P1999 would just be a letdown.

Selling characters cut into live profits, which is why it was against the rules. People could buy the game and use the "friend trial number" and powerlevel two characters straight to 50, and then turn around and resell the numbers with the accounts attached at profit. Customer service was also pummeled by this non-sense at Sony-Verant, due to people socially engineering the account they just sold back. Donations made here aren't really profit, there is no business model, nor are their paid support (which is why you'll see so many grumpy, egotistical, high-horsed fuckwits involved in the staff on private servers)

You should really just log in and play until level 10, and leave based on that experience. You might make some friends and get the game you wanted by ignoring others.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*Coddles you as we approach the entrance of free-to-play mountain.*

I glance in your direction and motion ahead. "We have arrived," I say. "I sense you may have concerns about what may lie within. Beyond these gates dwells a collection of big bad volunteers. I hear they do this as a hobby, and eagerly await opinions."

"Perhaps you should just hang around the gates for a while," I continue. "Those whom who have been evicted surely have the best opinions."

> go north