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[Meiva]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the link! Man, why oh why are these guys who became "names" in the early days of the industry such wankers? Seriously, it's endemic within the games industry. What is it about games that attracts these guys.

I would have watched this, but cant now. I sincerely appreciate your review. You have been nothing, but, positive to our community... Even on the Red forums... No hate on Red as this is the server I currently enjoy my time on.

[liveitup1216]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the link! Man, why oh why are these guys who became "names" in the early days of the industry such wankers? Seriously, it's endemic within the games industry. What is it about games that attracts these guys.

No problem! Once Verant got folded back into Sony and they moved people around I'm sure thats what caused the schism of game design for EQ. So in a way wording it as Sony ruined Verant's game isn't that far off. It became an issue of too many hands on deck and them trying to capitalize on the success/work of those few designers truly put their lives into the game.

It was an instance where giving them more money, time, and manpower hurt the game way more than it helped.

[Aeolwind]

Skip Luclin altogether. Very little of it I actually liked. The Deep was nice, Grimling Mines, Grieg's End.. Seru/Katta had a GREAT storyline, shoulda based the whole expansion on it rather than the snakes (high 5 Nilbog). Vex Thal caused the power creep that made POP suck. I did like Ssra though. The mobs were a bit sideways too, went from dragons and giants to fucking weird bugs and aliens. Vamps, Thought Horrors, Grimlings, black robe 4 arm guys: Cool. I'd dump the weird bugs and shit and the aliens though, probably entire zones like Paludal and FG. Disable AA.

Pop; dump POK, dump a large portion of the requirements for flagging, Req for time is just the Elemental Planes, can follow story for nifty range item (Dump Trinket). I was kinda pissed at POP, I wasn't in a raiding guild (by choice) in that expansion. When I had access to like 3 zones besides POK I was pretty hot under the collar. Thankfully I found a great farm spot in POJ for AA.

GOD; problems that Discord had were 2 fold: It didn't fit, and it didn't include the level increase it was supposed too. The storyline for Discord was actually really slick (Breakdown in Communication), but it didn't fit in with the rest of EQ. The mobs were WTF weird. Would have been easier to sell if it were an existing deities schtick rather than weird galactic conquerors whose names we couldn't pronounce...just like the Vex Thal. The boat was stupid and pointless, the starting zone was a PITA. It was just a confusing linear grind that was too hard to be fun.

[Meiva]

Originally Posted by Goseals6 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a comment I can get behind

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Skip Luclin altogether. Very little of it I actually liked. The Deep was nice, Grimling Mines, Grieg's End.. Seru/Katta had a GREAT storyline, shoulda based the whole expansion on it rather than the snakes (high 5 Nilbog). Vex Thal caused the power creep that made POP suck. I did like Ssra though. The mobs were a bit sideways too, went from dragons and giants to fucking weird bugs and aliens. Vamps, Thought Horrors, Grimlings, black robe 4 arm guys: Cool. I'd dump the weird bugs and shit and the aliens though, probably entire zones like Paludal and FG. Disable AA.

Pop; dump POK, dump a large portion of the requirements for flagging, Req for time is just the Elemental Planes, can follow story for nifty range item (Dump Trinket). I was kinda pissed at POP, I wasn't in a raiding guild (by choice) in that expansion. When I had access to like 3 zones besides POK I was pretty hot under the collar. Thankfully I found a great farm spot in POJ for AA.

GOD; problems that Discord had were 2 fold: It didn't fit, and it didn't include the level increase it was supposed too. The storyline for Discord was actually really slick (Breakdown in Communication), but it didn't fit in with the rest of EQ. The mobs were WTF weird. Would have been easier to sell if it were an existing deities schtick rather than weird galactic conquerors whose names we couldn't pronounce...just like the Vex Thal. The boat was stupid and pointless, the starting zone was a PITA. It was just a confusing linear grind that was too hard to be fun.

I had raided everything pre-Luclin. I missed Luclin, but then raided PoP. I remember lots of leveling-alts fun during Luclin. I have zero knowledge of the raid scene...

PoP was demi-God after demi-God then God... You were expected to slay the Gods (which MIGHT explain why this is where the Verant story ended) but after SoE took over PoP god mobs were instead ILLUSIONS (something of the sort)! The story of Norrath intended to end, yet never end, with Planes of Power...

This should end with, SoE shouldn't have designed two expansions to lead in to a (is EQLive at 19 expansions???) Verant did not write this story, and they obviously wrote great stories. We are all excited for Velious.

*edit* I would never attempt to task you all with preparing Luclin or PoP (to our standards). All of what you have done so far is incredible. I couldn't even ask you for Velious. The P1999 Dev team is amazing.

[Meiva]

Only the second, and last, water zone to make sense (somewhat)... I too enjoyed slaying Coirnav after swimming through a few tunnels, and raid-slaying a few caster horse fish.

This kill happened to be very rewarding.

[Frieza_Prexus]

You know,

I would LOVE to jump straight into PoP after, say, a year of Velious. Those fights would be incredible with out all the Luclin gear.

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know,

I would LOVE to jump straight into PoP after, say, a year of Velious. Those fights would be incredible with out all the Luclin gear.

[Goseals6]

PoN Hedge Maze was fun as well as the Tribunal Event. I didn't mind the flagging so much, probably because my guild at the time burned through the entire thing in one night to flag 10 or so members. Plus the Zeb story was pretty interesting. Portal trinket was pretty handy for non-portal people to get out of bad places or places you couldn't leave.

I agree that PoK was a nightmare hub and negated a lot of the usefulness of druids/wiz but at the same time alleviated spam tells for ports.

Luclin was the expansion I started on. PC was fun but I hated trying to navigate through the god awful lagfest of the Baz. I never got on a VT run but did most of Ssra and I enjoyed it.

AA's. I have mixed feelings about this subject. On one hand, they were a good way to promote grouping and on another, a never ending nightmare. MGB was one of the most efficient of them all honestly. I felt that the minor one's were just fluff and had no business there.

GoD was just awful and I hated every bit of it.

That's just my 2 cents worth.

Im anxious for Velious as I didn't get to experience much of that at all. Except the Coldain War Event which was just friggin awesome.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

I liked GoD, but I felt like it was more of a top end geared player expansion, and only good for raiding, basically saying if you didnt have top end gear it was pretty miserable for you, mobs were unbalanced, and leashing was very fubar.

[Goseals6]

Originally Posted by Gaffin Deeppockets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I liked GoD, but I felt like it was more of a top end geared player expansion, and only good for raiding, basically saying if you didnt have top end gear it was pretty miserable for you, mobs were unbalanced, and leashing was very fubar.

I can tell you as a MT, it felt like I got hit by a train filled with smaller trains being pulled by The Rock. Epic 1.5 was a PITA to get and so were the flagging trials. Nearly everything summoned so kiting as a bard was impossible.

What server were you on?? I used to be one of the MT's in Midwinter on Kayne Bayle(AB after merger)