Game Mechanics: Permafrost, Solusek eye, Runny eye and classic Goblin AI

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The rule is.. if its an humanoid/undead it will aggro you if you're kos. no matter the level.

Assist rules apply, if you get aggroed by a goblin and theres 2 other nearby, they will aggro as well.

kinda sad were two years into the server and this wasnt brought up more often.

Ive always felt something was missing with green cons, but never could place it. This is what ive been missing. I do recall some sort of lvl threshold, where greens will agro, and then they stop. Or is it frogs only that I am thinking of?

[Nizzarr]

Its pretty much everything brinkman, as far as level 25 being the treshold, im not certainly sure. I remember every and any goblins aggroing. And there is plenty of under 25 goblins in perma. Might be different for other kind of humanoids.

I also miss the green con guards aggro!

[nilbog]

Bump.

[Vohl]

Definitely not classic, at least on fire goblins and lower. This change, along with the mob flight mechanic, makes soloing impossible for PCs lacking root and snare -- something that certainly was possible in classic EQ.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Here's some evidence for Upper Guk at least:

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/arch....php/t-41.html

"Viscera
01-06-2000, 13:36
At L52, everything still aggroes me that did at L34. Gaz knights will occasionally aggro, along with all tons. However, sometimes you can run by them quickly enough so that the aggro check doesn't happen when you are n aggro range (which I think by experience may be every 2 seconds or so)."

[kanras]

Plenty of stuff to be found on the old newsgroups proving this. Just one example:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...bba9e2e0afd64f

[Yondiloons]

Clearly this thread has evidence of this being classic, everyones argument for not making the change is some type of variation of that it will be harder which is an outrageously rediculous argument and goes against what this server is about. Classic is too hard then play something else. We're here because of the classic changes made in this server and saying that the game would be too hard if this classic change occurred is idiotic.

The evidence is here, its classic, it should me implemented

[Yondiloons]

it looks like this might have been fixed? someone complaining in another bug report that green goblins are aggroing in sola now

[Vohl]

Green aggro *did* happen, but not with Sol A young goblins -- which currently happens on 99Red. I don't recall flame goblin aggro ever occurring either, once they greened out. The aggro AI probably needed a tweak, but I'm pretty sure the green aggro level is currently way lower than was the case on live servers.

[kanras]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...aba1045c26966c

Level 15 green won't aggro.
Level 18+ green will. Try it near some 18+ green froggies and you'll
see a wall of hopping pissed off frogs wanting a piece of your hide
(ie., try it near some shins, noks, tons, etc... and you'll see what I mean)

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...ed70cc9f59bdea

Upper Guk- Always hard to find a group(since the beginning). Faily
good items for the level, but at level 36, i still tend to pull a full room
of greenies (ie- aggro set too high). Trains galore if your not careful.
Sol A- What can i say? Every single thing there attacks me at level
36. I ran out of mana using Enstill-Atone combo. I was in the bar once..
good exp there with a full group, but the frustratingly high aggro doesnt
justify it.
Permafrost- This is my all time "hate" zone. I hate it, i hate it, i
hate it! The level 18 goblin at the entrance will aggro on me sometimes...
and from there, they all aggro.

Everything I've read says level 18 is the cutoff.