Best one sentence summation of how I feel, ever.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok np. Something had to always exist. Whatever that something is, has to be eternal thus being exempt from needing a creator itself since being eternal means always having existed and therefor is not a creation and therefor is not subject to needing a creator itself. Also, whatever that something is, it has to be alive and conscious due to the inherent design found in nature and the fact that only a conscious living thing can design and create things.

That's not proof at all. You are making wild assumptions with no evidence to support them and falling back on logical fallacies that you keep claiming is " common sense".

[pharmakos]

was god self-assembled?

/boggle

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well according to God we are made in his image so a flying spaghetti monster can easily be dismissed. We are the direct children of God himself and the pinnacle of creation. I also doubt he would have sent his son to save us if he didn't care about us.

With the exception of one extremely factually erronious book that claims to tell your story, there isn't a shred of evidence anywhere on the planet to even imply that any of that happened.

[Illuzionz]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Earlier your argument was that bricks couldn't assemble themselves into a house. I give you analogous systems that do self-assemble and now your argument is equivalent to: well, who made the bricks? backpedal faster!

No back pedal at all. It was an entirely different scenario I was answering with my analogy. Now you're changing the script and I am just following suit. I'd say I'm forward pedaling to keep up with your argument.

My point was that a house can't build itself, nothing can. Even the bricks themselves had to be made at some point since at one point they didn't exist. Did those self-assembling systems you mention always exist? Nope. Well therefor we can conclude that they were created as well. No back pedaling at all. Sorry.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did those self-assembling systems you mention always exist? Nope.

How do you know this? Why do you continue to base all of your conclusions on your assumptions?

[Illuzionz]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With the exception of one extremely factually erronious book that claims to tell your story, there isn't a shred of evidence anywhere on the planet to even imply that any of that happened.

Actually there is. There is an overwhelmingly abundant evidence to support the claim of a world wide flood. Aside from that, the entire Bible is factually correct. There is not a single thing you can point out and claim it as erroneous(how do you still manage to misspell words when the program tells you that you have, just another example of how dumb and lazy you are just like how you thought 3 people were injured in Russia).

[Kagatob]

So rabbits chew their cud and pi=3?

[pharmakos]

not only are there factual errors in the bible, different books of the bible don't even agree with each other

http://www.coppit.org/god/contradictions.php

[pharmakos]

Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah." (2 Samuel 24:1)

Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. (1 Chronicles 21:1)

[Illuzionz]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you know this? Why do you continue to base all of your conclusions on your assumptions?

Common sense. Did the Earth always exist? Nope. It was created. Did the Universe always exist? Nope. It was created. Everything within the Universe therefor also had to be created.