Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your data. Your math. Not mine.

The group doesn’t need anything else from you.

Glad we agree.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-120 mage dps is more than double 55 shaman dps.
-In order to do that dps you are only casting dps and not doing any utility.
-the group didn’t need your utility to begin with.

So the mage is more twice as good as the shaman.

Awesome, glad we can agree.

Nope. I am sorry you keep thinking you are randomly correct for no reason.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, this is a nonsense argument.

The Mage can only DPS. If your group only needs DPS during a specific encounter, your Shaman can just do DPS.

The benefit to a Shaman is the Shaman can switch out of DPS mode at any time. Your Mage is stuck in DPS mode forever, and can't help the party when an emergency occurs.

DPS has diminishing returns, so 65 DPS means less if your group's DPS is already really high.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would love to get some raw DPS data from Enchanters. I am literally just using your own data. It is hilarious you keep blaming me for your own data.

But the Enchanter pets doing more DPS hurts your argument further lol.

If the Enchanters are doing 220 DPS with pets, the math looks like this:

Your group is doing roughly 340 DPS with the Epic Mage, and 275 DPS with the Shaman.

The difference in time is 23.5 seconds vs. 29 seconds. The time difference drops to 5.5 seconds.

DPS has diminishing returns on kill speed the more you stack.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the facts that haven't been disproven

Are you referring to (some or all of) the many irrefutable facts - which you cannot refute - that I have consistently posted while responding directly to you/to your posts, which you have ignored?

If not, please clarify which facts you are referring to so that we may quantify them hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember when you admitted to trolling?

I have admitted to zero trolling. Quite the contrary! In irrefutable fact - which you cannot refute - I have challenged you calling me a troll and have asked you to provide proof/evidence of my "trolling". You have not provided - and seemingly cannot provide - any evidence that supports your claim, hence your claim is unsubstantiated - and false.

Your post would seem to indicate that you believe that others "want to shut you up"? Oh quite the contrary! I have been attempting to continue having a civil discussion with you, but you have repeatedly ignored my posts and dodged my questions hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's continue our civil discussion!

[Troxx]

Yeah we definitely making it to page 300.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah we definitely making it to page 300.

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Thanks for continuing to prove my point about you being a troll.

You also start trolling when you know you can't counter my argument.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we get an enchanter in here to school this fool? You think a Krup charmed hasted and torched is 70dps? Lol a Jin knight (lowest frog in seb) hasted and torched is a good solid 90-100 float depending on fight. A bok is 110-120. A full on murder-mode Krup (one of them) is going to crank above 140. I have seen isolated fights pushing closer to 170 than 160 (not representative of average but luck happens).

You don’t parse much do you. You are apparently clueless.

When I duo with ench on my cleric the “safe pet” (bok) will drop an 8k mob in about a minute (+/- a tick)

I don’t want this to get lost by the way. I had to point out to DSM just how much enchanter pets do hasted and torched.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup. Copy/pasting the facts that haven't been disproven so they don't get drowned out by trolls is superior to your strategy of trolling.

Remember when you admitted to trolling?

Admitting to making a few troll posts =/= admitting to being a troll or every post I make is a troll. I know you don't really have any good arguments in general but this is a really bad one.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t want this to get lost by the way. I had to point out to DSM just how much enchanter pets do hasted and torched.

Please, don't let it get lost. It just strengthens my argument, because DPS has diminishing returns as you stack more. The more DPS an Enchanter does, the less useful the Mage is.

You also forget that the Enchanter pet DPS data I am using is directly from you, so it is your own data you are complaining about.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Admitting to making a few troll posts =/= admitting to being a troll or every post I make is a troll. I know you don't really have any good arguments in general but this is a really bad one.

300+ posts that are just memes/insults/trolls is not "a few", you can't hide your post history lol. There is no way to tell when you are being serious after this many troll posts and how many times you have admitted to trolling. It is sad over half of your entire post history on these forums is just insults and memes in this thread.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please, don't let it get lost It just strengthens my argument, because DPS has diminishing returns as you stack more.

I am not sure why your post seems to indicate that you think you are making a point or refuting a fact by stating "DPS has diminishing returns as you stack more." hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What point do you think you are making, or what fact do you think you are refuting?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The more DPS an Enchanter does, the less useful the Mage is.

I am not sure why your post seems to indicate that you think you are making a point or refuting a fact by stating "The more DPS an Enchanter does, the less useful the Mage is." hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What point do you think you are making, or what fact do you think you are refuting?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You also forget that the DPS data is directly from you, so it is your own data you are complaining about.

I am not sure why your post would seem to indicate that you believe that you have knowledge of others' memories. The irrefutable fact - which you cannot refute - is that you do not know what others remember or have forgotten as you do not have access to their memories. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

300+ posts that are just memes/insults/trolls

*Citation Needed*

This number is hilariously too high. It's nowhere near that many. The vast majority of my posts are calling out your ridiculous bullshit. You may think that's trolling but it's just logic and common sense prevailing over the insane ramblings of a lunatic with no idea how this game works.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you can't hide your post history lol

You can hide from my posts and my direct questions posed to you hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]