OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop, this isn't worth fighting for. There's not enough good material in this pile to even bother saving.

"Giving up a weeks worth of mobs was tough on us." Really? Just stop. Bump a proposal that doesn't favor the top end.. Again.

Anything that is proposed will always favor the top end. Wtf are you smoking. That's because the top end tries harder, invests more or whatever. It will always be that way. We're talking about being good sports and not monopolizing shit here. We're going to have to compete with TMO, nvest all that effort, and maybe still end up on the losing end. Why don't you propose something "fair"? Whatever guild you're in gets an equal amount of mobs as TMO?

[jaybone]

i've said it before and ill say it again. FE and TMO need to stop raiding until Velious is released.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by jaybone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i've said it before and ill say it again. FE and TMO need to stop raiding until Velious is released.

I'm in FE and still need loot from Draco, we don't all have 5 alts vp geared.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by jaybone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i've said it before and ill say it again. FE and TMO need to stop raiding until Velious is released.

I play the game to raid, yet I should not be allowed to do so? Isn't this exactly the complaint the casuals have had against the higher end?

An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.

[Yinikren]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anything that is proposed will always favor the top end. Wtf are you smoking. That's because the top end tries harder, invests more or whatever. It will always be that way. We're talking about being good sports and not monopolizing shit here. We're going to have to compete with TMO, nvest all that effort, and maybe still end up on the losing end. Why don't you propose something "fair"? Whatever guild you're in gets an equal amount of mobs as TMO?

If you've read my thread at all (you haven't) you'd realize that this isn't a fucking numbers game.

You want to kill more mobs, pick cheaper targets in my system. You put in the work, you get the more valuable mobs till you hit your cap and someone else gets to raid for a bit.

[Visual]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This all happened because guilds were monopolizing content. They agree to straight up give away mobs, like all the time. And people are outraged at such an insult and want so much more. Can't even believe what I'm reading tonight.

I thought it was going too far to back off completely on those priority mobs for a week. No waiting period, no exceptions. Not to mention draco and Talendor are still huge targets for us. We still have to compete with TMO for anything that we kill while nobody else does. I'm going to have to look into this points system or whatever you guys are talking about. I don't know how it can be worse for us then this proposal.

You give an inch...

[Pheer]

I personally find it pretty hilarious that now the more casual guilds are attempting to pull the same exact shit that everyone was scared TMO would attempt (refusing to cooperate or compromise to keep other guilds raid suspended). Which the GMs also specifically said was something theyd be willing to not only disband TMO for but also ban their officers as well. But apparently its ok for casual guilds to refuse to compromise or communicate on this issue in any way beyond making demands since they feel they have nothing to lose.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally find it pretty hilarious that now the more casual guilds are attempting to pull the same exact shit that everyone was scared TMO would attempt (refusing to cooperate or compromise to keep other guilds raid suspended). Which the GMs also specifically said was something theyd be willing to not only disband TMO for but also ban their officers as well. But apparently its ok for casual guilds to refuse to compromise or communicate on this issue in any way beyond making demands since they feel they have nothing to lose.

you're comparing a single guild to half of the server.

Just stop replying now.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're comparing a single guild to half of the server.

Just stop replying now.

First of all you can hardly call a few guilds half the server, but even if it were half does it make it ok for one half of the server to refuse to work with the others, as long as its the casual side with the loaded gun? Everyone keeps talking about cooperation and good will and such when in reality they've decided what they want and will accept nothing less.

Also why is a person who is no longer even in a guild casual/hardcore or otherwise that Im aware of trying to tell me not to post in a thread about guild raiding? Is RNF really so slow right now that you have to come in here and stir the pot?

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe that's what this is all about (the discussing compromise part.) I think people are making plenty clear that this proposal is not compromise. It's no different than how the raid scene has already been held hostage for the last two years, except this time you guys do not have sweeping authority over what happens. If you consider that holding the raid scene hostage then that's your opinion. Must suck. Welcome to what we have dealt with for years.

People are not going to fall over themselves and rush to an agreement that doesn't change much for the better, in the fear of a suspension because that would be almost like any other day for us anyways.

This is exactly the kind of cancerous attitude you've all been claiming you want to get rid of. This entire discussion has shifted from finding a system that everyone can live with to the casual guilds feeling like theyre in the midst of some kind of e-revolution where now THEYRE the ones who make the rules and to hell with the "oppressive hardcore guilds"

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly the kind of cancerous attitude you've all been claiming you want to get rid of. This entire discussion has shifted from finding a system that everyone can live with to the casual guilds feeling like theyre in the midst of some kind of e-revolution where now THEYRE the ones who make the rules and to hell with the "oppressive hardcore guilds"

Way to really take it out of context. never once said I was against compromise. but i'll say it again im not going to jump at what I view to be a flawed one just because a raid suspension is looming. that doesn't fix anything. I pointed out the truths of the situation we are all in.

You sound upset about this. How about this: current proposal is not going to be accepted most likely. So how bout we work on something else that may work? I already said what I support. doesn't mean I couldn't be convinced to change my mind if you have a better idea.