LMFAO

[Maschenny]

Probably the easiest answer here is to not cheat all the time. Anyway, rest in peace.

[Legidias]

Originally Posted by thebutthat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tote around on a high horse in RNF.

Apparently not cheating / breaking rules is considered strutting around lol

[mattydef]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He has been disciplined accordingly.

You disciplined a member for rightfully petitioning? Your guy deserves a pat on the back and a medal. The only unfortunate thing out of this was that it only got them an extra 7 days.

[kotton05]

Lay off Europa, they have always maintained a somewhat clean whistle and raato helped me when he didn’t have to long ago. Never saw an awakened puller help pull a ToV mob for another guild (thanks raato n friends) picking on Europa is very very poor taste.

[Just facts]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess you are referring to this point:


Whenever Klandicar is attempted to pre-slow the person who gets FTE immediately zones out or dies. Nothing is kited, stalled or otherwise kept occupied so another raid party couldn't get it if they wanted to.

Also if you are engaging a completely new raid encounter with your guild, how can you ever be sure that you have force able to kill what you FTEd when you have never tried it before? Wouldn't that mean that everytime someone wipes for whatever reason they are violating raid rules?

And I do agree that stuff happens and most of the time A/A plays nice and clean. But like you said, there is also times when its intentional.

And btw sisu was used in wrong context.

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Figured it was, my first experience with it was 20? Years ago in candy form, friend would bring me some whenever he went home to visit his family.
He used to say it was a description of what was the good morals and attitude of people from Finland, the fighting spirit.

[xzhaa]

Originally Posted by Just facts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do know you are exploiting the fact that you can preslow the raid encounter and doing this you prevent others from a clean correct engage?
Basically you admit that you are fte'ing a raid target before you have any intention of a real engage.
Wonder how many times you have violated the raid rules without any suspensions..you do remember the rule about not engaging a raid target without a ready kill force? You know the one that is there so that you couldn't stall engage a raid target, that is there so when you do fte you have the intention and ability to kill it, the fact that you need to and have been preslowing it most if not all times proves that you are engaging the raid target unsure if you have a force able to kill what you fte.

Let's just agree that no one is perfect and stuff happens, and I promise you that 95% of the times what you think might be intentionally bad sisu ( probably used sisu in the wrong context) on their part is nothing more then oops shit happened.

to be fair, everytime they zone agro after a failed slow you can legaly trigger a new fte for yourself and engage. It only become a problem if they dont allow new fte for 10-15 minute while trying to slow

[planarity]

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Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wouldn't that mean that everytime someone wipes for whatever reason they are violating raid rules?

Originally Posted by braknar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Awakened is under Raid Suspension for the next 40 days for training and wiping Aftermath's raid party on 2/25 at the entrance of ToV during their attempt on Vulak

[Genevensis]

What I don't understand is that you all bash on Europa for a petition that led to an additional 7 days on top of your 40 and probably 50 days ban.

You all cry foul that a petition has been lodged and sanction ensued. If you all were such all mighty clean individuals, why did the GM find ground for this added time?

Shall we all just turn a blind eye to everything just so A/A can continue their pixel frenzies in all impunity?

[Maschenny]

All you had to do was play by the rules and wait for your weekly allowance from AM.

[Just facts]

Originally Posted by Genevensis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I don't understand is that you all bash on Europa for a petition that led to an additional 7 days on top of your 40 and probably 50 days ban.

You all cry foul that a petition has been lodged and sanction ensued. If you all were such all mighty clean individuals, why did the GM find ground for this added time?

Shall we all just turn a blind eye to everything just so A/A can continue their pixel frenzies in all impunity?

Europa said that a random member petitioned them for stalling, staff didn't agree with the stalling part, despite that it was what they where petitioned for, decided on their own to hit them for switching chars during the encounter to fill different roles to make up for the max 6 person rule.

Basicly if you get suspended and are exping in KC with a full group trying to kill a random trash mob and at the start of fight the cleric in your group asks you to switch to your enchanter and cast c2 on him and switch back, using the same logic that the staff used, you now have 7 members on an encounter log and you feel that it is within the spirit of the rules to eat another 7 days ?

Not saying that it helps to call out the staff in RnF (really stupid imo, you haveto like hurting your self to want to be a staff member so they don't need the extra bashing). But hope you understand why some might feel that it's a bit over the top to add more time to something that was from start a very very questionable suspension.