Enchanter animations, when are they preferred over charmed mobs?

[Splorf22]

Sadre, that is some serious jelly rage there.

[Yinikren]

Yeah, someone seems salty. There's two misconceptions I'd like to point out.

1.) pets will never eat exp grouped, to my knowledge.

2.) of course charming a skeletal guardian that hits for 140 is going to be a retarded idea, but in KC specifically, I love charming curates. They are level 39ish, CH themselves when they get low hp and charm breaks (ripostes, offtanking a moment, etc) only hit for 96ish and, best of all, they have a mana pool. I can keep one charmed for 10 minutes, haste it and give it weps, and when charm breaks, tap it for free mana.

Imo, if you are in a position to charm and can help the group by doing so, you're aren't playing to the best of your ability by negligently ignoring it.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

jealous? no, realistic. I have never been in a guild prior to making charm easier, where good groups wanted chanters to charm. It was viewed as something a chanter who mainly soloed when caught in the unfamiliar envirnoment of being... an enchanter in a well-rounded group.

Look, soloing is fun. Having an an enchanter alt is fun. Pretending you are not an enchanter is fun. But I'm an enchanter.

The Queen herself once rolled a character on Quellious, just to say she had the privilege of grouping with me.

You are mistaking jealousy for sheer diva arrogance. My way is best; charmers are not actually enchanters. They are soloers who get bored too easy to group properly. No problem with that. That's why they made the game easier, just for you guys.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are mistaking jealousy for sheer diva arrogance.

Somehow I don't think so. But you can tell yourself whatever you want.

P.S. I tried out a chef group for kicks since I missed grouping after raiding/farming mostly on Loraen. I was able to substantially slow/stun most mobs while still charming. Theft of Thought FTW [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Qadosx]

You can use the animation in exp groups when you don't feel like maintaining a charm pet, or when your healer is derpy. The invis ring from loio is handy if your pet ever gets feared for the insta pet dismiss.

You can also plevel on lower level content with animations, dismissing pets before the intended xp recipient slays the mob. This works best in areas with casters so you can maintain mana with theft of thought.

When camping the crypt caretaker at Kunark launch I found using the 55 pet spell the safest way to farm for the rod of annihilation. Camping the staircase in the crypt you would only ever have to fight the one mob, and although the blob could summon, it was mezable and slowable. Use memory blur after each pet reagros, and with decent enough mana you will outlast the 12k hp mob. Using a charm pet was too risky in this area, with a locked door and plenty of adds between you and the zone out.

Originally Posted by Elements [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They can also provide a touch of dps on dragon encounters where aoe is present.

You would probably be best served not using an animation in Skyfire or EJ, as your pet will bring back plenty of friends when that max duration fear wears off, if you do want those few seconds of dps, you could dismiss the pet when the first fear hits.

Any time there is no fear though, animations would often rank on the parsed fights throughout early Kunark.

[A1551]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sadre, that is some serious jelly rage there.

^

Or trolling us knowing we'd all spend time explaining the essentially undeniable benefits of charming in groups. I almost fell for it!

-Propo Fol

[Vladesch]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1.) pets will never eat exp grouped, to my knowledge.

If they out damage the rest of the group they eat the same % xp as when you are soloing. It's the same principle. When you are soloing the rest of the group=you.
I will add a slight disclaimer that I haven't tested this, but this is how I understood posts made about this subject before.

Charming mobs just comes down to how safe it is. Any decent enchanter will have a good idea whether he can handle random charm breaks at a particular camp.

[Striiker]

I used an animation for soloing up to the lvl 39 charm spell. Charm at lower levels was broken when compared to how live was in 99/2000 and I do not know if this was fixed yet.. Soloing was slower with the animation and I had to make some changes to methodology but it worked well. (my preference was always to group so soloing was for nights when I was on for an hour at most)..

At high level, the animation is limited in usefulness but they are still broken out for fights with some planar mobs and dragons etc. which can agro via an AoE (as others have pointed out).

[Yinikren]

Unless they fixed it again, I was under the impression that being in a group (regardless of if the rest of the group is in zone) nullified pets eating exp. Me and a necro regularly charm and camp HS and the exp is phenomenal, although of course my evidence is anecdotal.

[A1551]

Originally Posted by Striiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used an animation for soloing up to the lvl 39 charm spell. Charm at lower levels was broken when compared to how live was in 99/2000 and I do not know if this was fixed yet

I was charming ghouls in unrest around 17-18 and with no difficulties -- so I'd say its been fixed sometime in recent history. Dunno how long ago you're talking but I'm guessing a while [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by yinikren

Unless they fixed it again, I was under the impression that being in a group (regardless of if they rest of the group is in zone) nullified pets eating exp. Me and a necro regularly charm and camp HS and the exp is phenomenal, although of course my evidence is anecdotal.

This is my understanding as well from massive amounts of duoing with a cleric where my pet was doing 100% of the damage. Also basically anecdotal however. I'm going to test this empirically and solve it one way or another, hopefully tonight, cuz I'm tired of seeing this same discussion over and over without a legit answer!

-Propo Fol