What do you think about PL'ers?

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Vladigan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"At what point, if any, does power leveling get to a point where it takes away from other players enjoyment of the game?"

When at peak time, some guild decides it wants to move in to a popular camp (such as the lake or GY at Mistmoore, or even the castle) and deprive a legit XP group of being able to level at the speed they're capable of. It's happened to me, it's happened to a lot of people I know... and Amelinda has previously said that it needs to stop. There's no grey area in this, if you want to PL during peak hours, take it to Droga/Nurga/somewhere quiet and leave the standard groups to enjoy the more common levelling zones... because I'll bet 100k plat that if you, as a power leveller were in their shoes, you'd be pissed off as well.

A big argument for no boxing was that it would somehow deter grouping and lead people to solo more and take away from legitimate groups. I am quite neutral here on all topics, but i just wonder where is the grey area between not allowing boxing, but turning a blind eye to certain PL'ers that seem to be causing the same detrimental effect?

You can box/merc on every other non-P99 server, if you want to box...show us a clean pair of heels and do it elsewhere. 2-boxing makes grouping for regular players more difficult as it usually involves a tank/healer combo that doesn't want extras. I'd hate to zone into Oasis/Unrest/etc and see 2-boxing everywhere and not be able to get a group. You're just encouraging more solo play on the server due to too much LFG time and there's plenty of necros floating around already.

Boxing hasn't been tested on this server, but it wouldn't be a change for the better. Classic EQ was all about grouping with others and learning a class together as a group, not isolating yourself because you can do things quicker.

Also you'd see an increase in people levelling accounts to sell off, so there's no benefit to new players on the server at all.

[Vladigan]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can box/merc on every other non-P99 server, if you want to box...show us a clean pair of heels and do it elsewhere. 2-boxing makes grouping for regular players more difficult as it usually involves a tank/healer combo that doesn't want extras. I'd hate to zone into Oasis/Unrest/etc and see 2-boxing everywhere and not be able to get a group. You're just encouraging more solo play on the server due to too much LFG time and there's plenty of necros floating around already.

Boxing hasn't been tested on this server, but it wouldn't be a change for the better. Classic EQ was all about grouping with others and learning a class together as a group, not isolating yourself because you can do things quicker.

Also you'd see an increase in people levelling accounts to sell off, so there's no benefit to new players on the server at all.

Wasnt meaning to turn this into a boxing thread.. but you make my point here... Imagine zoning into those same zones you mentioned and not be able to get a single kill because 1 (or supposedly 2) person/people is PLing?

I agree with your points on boxing, but my question is: "Isn't encouraging or allowing PLing causing the same negative effect?"

[Picked]

I don't have a problem with powerleveling. Never did on live either. I know some people like to play this game a certain way, and people are fine with that, so why is it not okay for someone else to play the game the way they want too?

If this is what they want and that's how they want to go about it then by all means let them. I didn't vote because your options are very one sided. I don't think "everyone should do it" like you say but I am just fine if anyone does it.

I do hope that they realize while they are powerleveling that there is certain zones that are packed. I don't think a person powerleveling should use MM for it. As long as they aren't gobbling up all the mobs people are trying to get. There are tons of places to p-level someone, use one that isn't a high trafficked area for those leveling the old fashioned way.

[Vladigan]

Originally Posted by Picked [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have a problem with powerleveling. Never did on live either. I know some people like to play this game a certain way, and people are fine with that, so why is it not okay for someone else to play the game the way they want too?

If this is what they want and that's how they want to go about it then by all means let them. I didn't vote because your options are very one sided. I don't think "everyone should do it" like you say but I am just fine if anyone does it.

I do hope that they realize while they are powerleveling that there is certain zones that are packed. I don't think a person powerleveling should use MM for it. As long as they aren't gobbling up all the mobs people are trying to get. There are tons of places to p-level someone, use one that isn't a high trafficked area for those leveling the old fashioned way.

Thanks for getting in the conversation [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Just want to point out that you seem to be somewhat conflicted on what you are trying to say... Allow me to point out:

You start out by saying you are OK with PLing, then justify your position by stating that they should "be able to play the game they way they want" .. BUT...

Then, you state that PLers should realize that (the way they want to play) in crowded zones could "gobble up all the mobs". So in turn means they are now preventing someone else from playing the game, the way they want...

So Picked, it would seem your opinion should be, "I think PLing is OK, but should be restricted in a way" Is that correct? (I only seek clarity to understand your argument)

Thanks! (Btw if that is your position, there is a spot to vote that opinion)

[Picked]

Originally Posted by Vladigan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for getting in the conversation [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Just want to point out that you seem to be somewhat conflicted on what you are trying to say... Allow me to point out:

You start out by saying you are OK with PLing, then justify your position by stating that they should "be able to play the game they way they want" .. BUT...

Then, you state that PLers should realize that (the way they want to play) in crowded zones could "gobble up all the mobs". So in turn means they are now preventing someone else from playing the game, the way they want...

So Picked, it would seem your opinion should be, "I think PLing is OK, but should be restricted in a way" Is that correct? (I only seek clarity to understand your argument)

Thanks! (Btw if that is your position, there is a spot to vote that opinion)

I was just pointing out that the concept of power leveling doesn't bother me. But training people in MM to get more mobs does. I have exp'd 2 different characters to 50+ so far and inevitably I run into PL'ers fairly often. And it always turns ugly. A group is trying to kill some mobs and exp at a camp and the power leveling crew comes in, pulls everything, and if that isn't enough sometimes train to get more mobs.

I guess in a nutshell I am fine with power leveling. As long as they remain true to the rules of the server like training, and exploiting.

[fishingme]

I believe everyone who complains about plers are for the most part jealous and overreacting. A good majority of the people who powerlevel in the dungeons such as unrest and MM are quite friendly about letting you have plenty of mobs and they'll even toss you buffs or help you out for a good amount of time. I do believe there are some a$$holes but what are you going to do? I put them on my ignore list and if they ever ask for something in the future when I'm their level they can't because they're on my ignore list.

[fishingme]

The ability to power level in this game is one of the major things that separates EQ from any other game. Mainly because no other game has the system where a lvl 50 can make a lowbie god to similar conned mobs (as the lowbie). The only reasons that really anyone can come up with is lack of mobs or lack of groups. However the server is a low populated server, a lot of people don't want to spend the time leveling up slow. The only problem with some plers which these are the ones why people get tainted views on Pling, are the ones that are douchebags that are inconsiderate of other people trying to level. Funny enough, the GMs don't ban these guys, so what's there to do?

[Swish]

Not if they stay away from a populated MM/Unrest/etc. That's the point, keep the PL'ing in quieter zones - Kunark is a prime example of quiet dungeons among others. Places like Nurga and Droga are far too quiet for how good the XP is. Ever levelled in Runnyeye on P99? Nor have most people - give PL'ing a try in there.

I'm not against PL'ers, it's nice to have a break from the grind if you've got the people at the top end who have the time to spare... but just be sensible about it and let other groups enjoy the game too rather than crowding them out of an area. Mistmoore is always the one that got me, we'd wait around for spawns because they'd been cleared out by a PL group who finish them off in seconds.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not if they stay away from a populated MM/Unrest/etc. That's the point, keep the PL'ing in quieter zones - Kunark is a prime example of quiet dungeons among others. Places like Nurga and Droga are far too quiet for how good the XP is. Ever levelled in Runnyeye on P99? Nor have most people - give PL'ing a try in there.

I'm not against PL'ers, it's nice to have a break from the grind if you've got the people at the top end who have the time to spare... but just be sensible about it and let other groups enjoy the game too rather than crowding them out of an area. Mistmoore is always the one that got me, we'd wait around for spawns because they'd been cleared out by a PL group who finish them off in seconds.

The problem with kunark Pling over old world Pling is that kunark mobs have more HP and hit a lot harder and the xp isn't better, it's actually worse.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with kunark Pling over old world Pling is that kunark mobs have more HP and hit a lot harder and the xp isn't better, it's actually worse.

Fair enough, there's still Splitpaw, Najena, Befallen, Cazic, Upper Guk, Runnyeye (as mentioned)... and for the adventurous, Permafrost. Most of them except for Perma are reasonably close to a druid ring, so entirely accessible [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]