Ichiro was out

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If what Ichiro did was allowed, then you would see people coming to a stop as they approach home and then stutterstepping and crap to avoid the tag and then circling around behind the now-prone catcher who fell flat on his face while trying to make the tag.

Off the top of my head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rvwTykC-IM

Could probably find twenty more if I spent ten minutes.

Seriously though, sounds like I've played more baseball than you've watched. It is a rare play, but it happens. It occurs less in the Majors because catchers play their position pretty flawlessly in the majors and dudes can pretty much throw the ball exactly where they want to. Like I said before: if you want to be upset with something about the play, hate on the cut-off man's shitty throw.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously though, sounds like I've played more baseball than you've watched.

Which club are you affiliated with?


Also, you linking a 20+ year old video of a play like Ichiros doesn't support your statement that plays like this happen "all the time" (nor would you linking 20 different videos of that) any more than me linking a 20+ year old perfect game supports the statement that "perfect games happen all the time" (nor would me linking 20 different perfect game videos).


Also, this all is irrelevant. Performance-enhancing drugs get used in baseball LITERALLY all the time. Not all the dudes who are shooting up get caught, though. But does that mean it is legal to use them? Of course not. Does that mean that the league condones the use of these drugs? Of course not.


If you want to make an argument that the rule I'm talking about is not followed because it is universally disliked and the umps systematically and purposely don't enforce it and that the rule should be changed, then go right ahead. But none of the things you've had to say affect the fact that Ichiro violated a rule of MLB, the umpire improperly ruled at the plate, etc.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which club are you affiliated with?

None. Unlike you I played organized baseball from the time I was eight till I was in my early twenties. I played in summer leagues, fall leagues, winter leagues and spring leagues. I have been involved in plays like this one, both as a runner and as a pitcher covering home.

Also, you linking a 20+ year old video of a play like Ichiros doesn't support your statement that plays like this happen "all the time" (nor would you linking 20 different videos of that) any more than me linking a 20+ year old perfect game supports the statement that "perfect games happen all the time" (nor would me linking 20 different perfect game videos).

I didn't say they happen "all the time". I said they happen. I linked you a very famous play, the first that came to mind when I watched the Ichiro play.

If you want to make an argument that the rule I'm talking about is not followed because it is universally disliked and the umps systematically and purposely don't enforce it and that the rule should be changed, then go right ahead. But none of the things you've had to say affect the fact that Ichiro violated a rule of MLB, the umpire improperly ruled at the plate, etc.

Here's the thing: you have a horse in this race, clearly--and I don't. I know the rule and the intent of it and how it's called--you don't. I understand it must suck to be an O's fan--I root for the Twins, myself. Just get over it. This is a play in baseball.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None. Unlike you I played organized baseball from the time I was eight till I was in my early twenties. I played in summer leagues, fall leagues, winter leagues and spring leagues. I have been involved in plays like this one, both as a runner and as a pitcher covering home.

Who, other than you, ever said I didn't play any organized baseball? Yeah. No one.

Seriously, though. Why would you bring up your experience with baseball as an 8-year-old as if it has any bearing on how well you understand a very specific MLB rule?

Did you use the MLB rules in your leagues? And were your leagues were serious enough that the umps even knew the rules? Cause I know a lot of people get very serious about sports in, say, high school... but I bet a ton of the officials in high school sports, baseball included, don't know anything except the rules that come up in every series.

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say they happen "all the time".

My mistake.

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the thing: you have a horse in this race, clearly--and I don't. I know the rule and the intent of it and how it's called--you don't. I understand it must suck to be an O's fan--I root for the Twins, myself. Just get over it. This is a play in baseball.

Stop making assumptions about me. I don't care about the Os or the Yanks apart from the "it'd be fun if the underdog won" kind of mentality. I saw the play and thought "boy, he sure was all over the place while trying to get to home... I bet that is against a rule... I'm going to go look it up."

And if you're so enlightened about the "intent" of a rule that says something that has a very plain, literal meaning, then please do share what this intent is and how it is that you know it.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you use the MLB rules in your leagues? And were your leagues were serious enough that the umps even knew the rules? Cause I know a lot of people get very serious about sports in, say, high school... but I bet a ton of the officials in high school sports, baseball included, don't know anything except the rules that come up in every series.

You sorta illustrate your ignorance again by suggesting high school baseball is serious youth baseball. Dude, I rode a chartered bus out of state as a ten year-old to play baseball. A bus, dude.

And if you're so enlightened about the "intent" of a rule that says something that has a very plain, literal meaning, then please do share what this intent is and how it is that you know it.

The intent of the rule is to keep baserunners from escaping a rundown by veering wildly off the basepath. It is not meant to be applied to a play at the plate. I know this because that's how baseball's played.