Game Mechanics: Game breaking exploit necro heal

[Nirgon]

Exactly, there should be absolutely no way to dispel this.

This wasn't overlooked, or misplaced.

When we move on from these, I have quite a laundry list of other changes.

I seem to recall just having to look at my stats to see how close I was on res effects fading too, that's a toughie where I'm not 100% sure and would have to look.


Not like this spell/line needed a look before here, right?

Uthgaard: Fixed a typo in Shadowbond that was causing the spell's recourse to give -125 charisma instead of -125 hp per tick

[Dentalplan]

This didn't get nerfed until nearly PoP era. And even then the damage portion was still dispellable, it just also dispelled the heal.

07/24/2002 Patch Notes

Spells that transfer hit points over time from the caster to a target will no longer take effect on the target (the hit point gainer) if the caster (the hit point giver) isn't also affected by the spell.

[Nirgon]

That above link is due to part of the change to the spell system that actually showed a recourse, which broke this and then was patched again.

I have posted another patch note that says it was never healing at all, and that came in PoP or so? Should we never have it heal at all?

This change occurred around the same time as well

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...es-2003-1.html

- Pact of Shadow and Shadow Compact will once again heal player
characters.

If Nilbog/Kanras are fine leaving this broken, so be it.

[Xadion]

as for the rez effects questions... Yes you could despell it on this server...for about 2 or 3 months...like on live :P

[Jjlent]

it seems koros posted patch notes that prove u have no idea what ur talking about nirgon

[Nirgon]

Notes from 2002 are not only much later but AFTER they made changes to the spell system to show recourse effects.

There were 2 fixes that had to be applied after the change to the spell system.

Please post proof of being able to dispel res effects on live. See what I did there?

I post evidence from patch notes in other threads and you still argue against them... its all about the gimped PvE.

[Happyfeet]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Notes from 2002 are not only much later but AFTER they made changes to the spell system to show recourse effects.

There were 2 fixes that had to be applied after the change to the spell system.

Anything to make the PvE easier, but yeah you're probably good at Everquest.

Oh give him a warning for trolling on bugs!

[Nirgon]

How is telling you that there was a spell revamp during that time trolling?

If I can find the link to the live necro botb somewhere, you'll see the necros do not and cannot dispel the recourse from themselves but DID use it to heal their pet while tapping the enemy's.


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January 9, 2003
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- Pact of Shadow and Shadow Compact will once again heal player
characters.


Sup? Make this not heal players ever on this server? Clearly a change for 2003.

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is telling you that there was a spell revamp during that time trolling?

If I can find the link to the live necro botb somewhere, you'll see the necros do not and cannot dispel the recourse from themselves but DID use it to heal their pet while tapping the enemy's.

Umm the only link I am aware of from the necro botb, involves them twitching each other.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is telling you that there was a spell revamp during that time trolling?

If I can find the link to the live necro botb somewhere, you'll see the necros do not and cannot dispel the recourse from themselves but DID use it to heal their pet while tapping the enemy's.


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January 9, 2003
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- Pact of Shadow and Shadow Compact will once again heal player
characters.


Sup? Make this not heal players ever on this server? Clearly a change for 2003.

Apparently your reading comprehension has abandoned you. That patch note clearly states that they will once again heal player characters. As such, it must be understood that they had healed player characters prior to January 9, 2003, as well. Once again, your research is deficient. You have found the date at which they resumed healing player characters; still a mystery is the date at which these spells first ceased to heal player characters. Find that date, then come back.

On the contrary, Koros' patch note reads: "The Shadowbond series of spells can no longer be dispelled by the Necromancer". Within that patch note, there is absolutely no reason to believe that there ever existed a time, prior to that patch, during which the necromancer could not dispell the Shadowbond series of spells. Dentalplan's patch note reads: "Spells that transfer hit points over time from the caster to a target will no longer take effect on the target (the hit point gainer) if the caster (the hit point giver) isn't also affected by the spell." That did not take effect until July 24, 2002, and again, there is nothing within that patch note to suggest that there had ever been a previous period during which the transfer of hit points would not take effect even if the caster isn't also affected by the spell.

If your contention is that the recourse did not appear as a buff and thus was not eligible to be dispelled, then you are welcome to find evidence of that -- but you haven't provided any. "Common sense" is not a suitable substitute for evidence, nor is your memory. Many aspects of Classic EQ wouldn't work as they did if left to the dictates of "common sense". Finally, absence of evidence doesn't constitute evidence of absence, either. The fact that you have links which make no mention of a certain ability doesn't mean the ability didn't exist.

Hth, please stop bumping a repeat topic without any new evidence to justify new consideration.