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Old 09-05-2025, 12:05 PM
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The ransom was paid and always will be paid for those who believe in Him.
But who believes in him? I can say I believe in Jesus Christ. Now I don't anymore. But now I do. It is like flipping a switch in your mind or what? I always thought God would see into your heart if you have good intentions or not, if you are good or evil and then he would decide if you go heaven or hell. But now this hell thing just looks made up as hell and it also looks like the rich people got richer and richer and kept being rich and now just rule the world at this point. And they will never lose their wealth.

And what decides if someone is rich? I am a very average income worker in Germany and my parents would say I need to save money (even though I have everything) and compared to a Steam friend in Russia or to some Indian I am indeed very rich, am I not? I think if you are rich or poor, you can still be pleasing God. So money's got nothing to do with God in my opinion.

I just wonder what this humility is because since it's the biggest virtue and the opposite of pride, then that is what God wants from you, to be humble at all times.
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Old 09-05-2025, 12:17 PM
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But who believes in him? I can say I believe in Jesus Christ. Now I don't anymore. But now I do. It is like flipping a switch in your mind or what? I always thought God would see into your heart if you have good intentions or not, if you are good or evil and then he would decide if you go heaven or hell. But now this hell thing just looks made up as hell and it also looks like the rich people got richer and richer and kept being rich and now just rule the world at this point. And they will never lose their wealth.

And what decides if someone is rich? I am a very average income worker in Germany and my parents would say I need to save money (even though I have everything) and compared to a Steam friend in Russia or to some Indian I am indeed very rich, am I not? I think if you are rich or poor, you can still be pleasing God. So money's got nothing to do with God in my opinion.

I just wonder what this humility is because since it's the biggest virtue and the opposite of pride, then that is what God wants from you, to be humble at all times.
Speculating on who is or isn't going to hell is a manifestation of pride. Wish them well and leave that up to God and try to be good in your own right.
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Old 09-05-2025, 12:22 PM
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Speculating on who is or isn't going to hell is a manifestation of pride. Wish them well and leave that up to God and try to be good in your own right.
Ok and how can I be humble and God pleasing? What must I do?
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Old 09-05-2025, 02:43 PM
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Ok and how can I be humble and God pleasing? What must I do?
Accept Jesus. Done.
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Old 09-05-2025, 02:45 PM
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Or just accept jesus,
i'll accept him back into my heart when his dad who is also him, sends me a flaming sword or starts drowning mother fuckers again.

either or
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Old 09-05-2025, 03:52 PM
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i'll accept him back into my heart when his dad who is also him, sends me a flaming sword or starts drowning mother fuckers again.

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Exactly man... I feel like there's humans who've never heard of Jesus or the Bible. What's with them? This accept Jesus thing is ridiculous. Y'all can't convince me he was a real person. Imo Jesus Christ is as real as the Adam & Eva story. But just out of fear of hell I will accept Jesus now. Whatever that does for me...
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Old 09-05-2025, 04:06 PM
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Have you actually read the bible? NOTHING Jesus said is in any way supportive of owning anything other than your own home and enough food to eat (let alone a company!). If you're a true Christian, owning everything that would have been considered "rich" around 0 A.D. means you're going to hell (there's that famous bible quote about it's harder for them to get into heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle).

By the literal definition of Christ's words, 99.9% of Christians on this planet are going to hell ... but the Christian faith is more than Christ's literal word.
That is certainly one interpretation, but is not accurate at all when given in context. The surrounding verses explain very plainly what it means, From Mark 10 (NKJV):

23 Then Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, “How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!” 24 And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, “Children, how hard it is [b]for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

The emphasis here is on trusting in riches and not trusting in God. Wealth in and of itself was not the sin but there is a recognition that with great riches there is a tendency to trust in your own accomplishments and wealth than to trust in God, which is sin.

Additionally in the New Testament there are wealthy believers that maintain wealth and use it toward the Kingdom, such as Lydia. She hosted others and used her wealth but the emphasis was not on living as a beggar. She was the definition of a wealthy businesswoman. She used her resources for good but there is not evidence that she threw away her business.

There are plenty of other examples also in the New Testament of wealth where people were prideful with their wealth, and it did not end well for those individuals (see Annanias and Sapphira).

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Old 09-05-2025, 04:18 PM
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That is certainly one interpretation, but is not accurate at all when given in context. The surrounding verses explain very plainly what it means, From Mark 10 (NKJV):

23 Then Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, “How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!” 24 And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, “Children, how hard it is [b]for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

The emphasis here is on trusting in riches and not trusting in God. Wealth in and of itself was not the sin but there is a recognition that with great riches there is a tendency to trust in your own accomplishments and wealth than to trust in God, which is sin.

Additionally in the New Testament there are wealthy believers that maintain wealth and use it toward the Kingdom, such as Lydia. She hosted others and used her wealth but the emphasis was not on living as a beggar. She was the definition of a wealthy businesswoman. She used her resources for good but there is not evidence that she threw away her business.

There are plenty of other examples also in the New Testament of wealth where people were prideful with their wealth, and it did not end well for those individuals (see Annanias and Sapphira).

Thanks for coming to my bible study on an elf forum.
While Logan Paul is getting sued and losing Prime and while Andrew Tate is getting sued as well, it still does end well for them. They will keep a part of their wealth and never need to work again. Is God really going to judge these people? I don't really care but I wonder what I can do in my life to be more pleasing to God.

I never really cared for getting rich and was happy with what the 9-5 job gave me. I never really cared for entrepreneurship or stuff like that. But these two just scammed people to get rich. And I got scammed too last year so I know how it feels. But I don't care because God will judge everyone accordingly.

So what can I do to be more God pleasing? Am I doing something wrong with my life?
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Old 09-05-2025, 04:29 PM
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Wwhat Jesus says about wealth and possessions isn’t framed as rules for earthly survival. Its preparation for life in the kingdom of heaven.

When he tells the rich man to sell everything or urges people not to worry about tomorrow, he’s describing what life looks like under God’s reign, not necessarily how to navigate the economy or politics.

When he says the meek will inherit the earth, he doesn't mean homeless people. He means humble people. It don't matter if they have money or do, he means anyone who entrusts themselves to gods justice instead of forcing their way with violence, wealth, or political power.

Make your way, do as you will, but be kind and humble and accept that you are a servant of god (jesus) and you're gucci.
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Old 09-05-2025, 04:31 PM
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Wwhat Jesus says about wealth and possessions isn’t framed as rules for earthly survival. Its preparation for life in the kingdom of heaven.

When he tells the rich man to sell everything or urges people not to worry about tomorrow, he’s describing what life looks like under God’s reign, not necessarily how to navigate the economy or politics.

When he says the meek will inherit the earth, he doesn't mean homeless people. He means humble people. It don't matter if they have money or do, he means anyone who entrusts themselves to gods justice instead of forcing their way with violence, wealth, or political power.
And again it is there, the "humble" people. As from the "lizard" people I know that they are politcians and have Jewish surnames like -stein or something. But from the "humble" people I know NOTHING, which is why I asked this question. Who are the HUMBLE people?
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