Green 2.0 Hybrid Penalty

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Despite being an uber 'keep it classic' type of guy, i was actually first, or one of the first suggesting they remove the penalty from green before it even launched... for me it's base on two factors:

The exp rate on p99 is already infalted and not classic. And all the hybrid exp penalty does is slow down leveling. hence it just seems cmpletely arbitrary to single out hybrids when we are already not playing classic exp.

the other reason is to give it ever so slighty more the feel of original EQ classes demographcs. yes, we we will never go back to only 15% of the server playing bard/enc/necro combined and 75% playing druids/hybrids. but when you literally never even come across a ranger/paladin/sk it really takes away from original experience.

Can you link to evidence that the exp rate is inflated? Thought it was proven that it’s not

[DMN]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you link to evidence that the exp rate is inflated? Thought it was proven that it’s not

Where was it "proven" it's not?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where was it "proven" it's not?

Thought the staff and other contributing players have posted stuff a couple years back when green launched. If you have conflicting evidence that you can post I think everyone would definitely be interested to see that

[Chortles Snortles]

haha no

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Keza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The penalty isn't arbitrary. It's there to punish classes that have access to multiple skillsets because that (in theory) gives them an advantage. The flaw is that purist classes are too powerful due to poor balance.

It's entirely arbitrary to say "its classic" when it comes to throttling hybrid exp yet the actual exp for everyone else is not classic. if you can't understand that, i can't help you but maybe webster's can.

Originally Posted by Keza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for demographics, it's nonclassic - and it sucks - but the problem isn't penalties at all. It's balance and awareness of imbalance. Awareness can't be changed, so the only way this can be fixed is by reconstructing the classes, because even if they removed the penalty few players would want to play an inferior class.

i've ran into at least half a dozen warriors/rogues and even a cleric who said they would have prefered to play a hybrid for their first character(just like they did back in the day) on green but decided against it purely because exp pealty. it might be anecdotal evidence but it's better than no evidence.

[Keza]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's entirely arbitrary to say "its classic" when it comes to throttling hybrid exp yet the actual exp for everyone else is not classic. if you can't understand that, i can't help you but maybe webster's can.

it might be anecdotal evidence but it's better than no evidence.

I didn't say it was classic, I explained the probable reasoning behind the mechanic in regards to your argument of it being arbitrary and other things being non-classic to begin with therefor allowing an "anything goes" mindset to balance. The reasoning behind why the penalty is there is not the same as saying "the devs did it so it stays in the game." I use Webster's frequently, perhaps you should try it, as you don't appear to know what 'arbitrary' means. I also mentioned I'm not adverse to rebalancing the game, so you jumping on the "it's classic" grenade seems odd.

Logically speaking purists are more powerful than hybrids therefor more would play them because no one wants to suck. This isn't evidence to begin with, it's merely what's likely. As for anecdotal commentary being evidence of what's to come, such claims would simply cancel each other out. There's always two sides, and as much as I want to play a paladin I don't want to be useless for a long time.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except the problem is the devs admitted it was a mistake. They thought hybrids would be much more powerful than other classes as things played out, but that turned out to be incorrect.

The devs removed the class penalties when they realized they were intentionally gimping classes that basically got no huge benefit out of being a “hybrid”

Right. I mean I didn't know the dev's official stance on it but it's as much as I thought. I was simply stating the purpose wasn't arbitrary and the removal of the penalty to be of minor consequence because those classes are undesirable. The resulting change being that this is mainly in favor of the overwhelming minority, to the degree that I'd suspect it's primarily solo players. To truly fix the problem the game would need surgery rather than band-aids. The devs might have removed the penalty, but they also went a step further as new expansions came out.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Keza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say...
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Autism speaks.. in gibberish.

[DeliciousHalflings]

Hybrid penalty was there for a reason. Deal with it.

[wuanahto]

Originally Posted by DeliciousHalflings [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hybrid penalty was there for a reason. Deal with it.

then why did they remove it?

[Bardp1999]

Originally Posted by wuanahto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then why did they remove it?

because of cry babies like you