Bard vs. Rogue

[Azazel]

How does a bard get a more powerful manasong?

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Azazel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does a bard get a more powerful manasong?

By "more powerful" I didn't mean "more powerful than C2" in case that was what you thought I meant, I just meant "more powerful than chorus of clarity". My point is kind of that the differences between Bards/Enc's scale accordingly even at higher levels.

[Pescador]

cantata of replenishment is an hp / mana regen buff that stacks with chorus of clarity.

[Supaskillz]

But if you are a rogue you can dps like me

[Splorf22]

So maybe this comes from my viewpoint as an enchanter, but I really just don't see how bards stack up at higher levels.

I guess enchanters and bards are pretty comparable for mana regen and crowd control. But enchanters get 65-70% haste compared to 45% bard haste - that's 15% faster killing right there, not to mention a charmed pet (even a post-nerf LB one) doing 40-50 dps, and 65-70% attack slow for tough mobs (very useful with no shaman) and stuns to interrupt casters. Plus your party has a much bigger chance living when the puller fucks up and brings 5+ mobs with an enchanter (although its probalby not great with either). And the cherry on the cake is we don't bring a 40% XP penalty.

Don't get me wrong, I love playing my twink bard. And bards are without doubt faster levelers with AE kiting and much more useful on raids with twisting mana regen and resist buffing songs. And I'm sure the bard epic will make things much more competitive.

[Muligan21]

Thanks so much guys for the insight... i'm going to keep my Bard and just go with it. I'm looking so forward to playing a game where so many things actually "matter"...

I miss that so much about games. The way armor is obtained, the dependency on others, camaraderie, etc.

If you ever need anything the name is Muligan, though I am no longer a cleric and probably not as "needed" in more emergency situations, but I have and am always happy to help.

Muligan
Bard of P99
Form Dark Elf Cleric of Lanys

[Gaimcap]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But enchanters get 65-70% haste compared to 45% bard haste - that's 15% faster killing right there, not to mention a charmed pet (even a post-nerf LB one) doing 40-50 dps, and 65-70% attack slow for tough mobs (very useful with no shaman) and stuns to interrupt casters.

*shrug* don't bard song hastes stack with regular spell hastes? Bring em both or bring a Shm (who can give 50% haste as well) and then you get a double shot of haste :O.

[Tiggles]

Be a rogue like me.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Gaimcap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*shrug* don't bard song hastes stack with regular spell hastes? Bring em both or bring a Shm (who can give 50% haste as well) and then you get a double shot of haste :O.

Normal bard haste does NOT stack with enchanter haste. In Velious, two new bard songs, Melody of Ervaj(lvl 51 5% haste) and Composition of Ervaj(level 60 10% haste), are added which will stack with any form of haste but will not not break the haste cap. However, currently there are only 2 flavors of haste, Item haste and Spell haste(all bard songs fall under this category for now).

[Duma]

Originally Posted by Gaimcap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*shrug* don't bard song hastes stack with regular spell hastes? Bring em both or bring a Shm (who can give 50% haste as well) and then you get a double shot of haste :O.

No. But all stat buffs and damage shields on haste songs stack with everything.

Bards 51 snare slow is 35/65% @ L60 but its also a huge AGI and AC debuff that stacks with cripple but gets bumped off as long as a larger slow or snare is on the mob.