what started as a good thing

[ClephNote]

People have to run fraps because of sore losers, ignorant/frustrated losers and win-at-all-costs winners.

I’m kinda shocked that people hate fraps. “Oh, now I gotta prove it?!? I don’t care that much, you nerds. Go outside!”

Well, you cared enough to cry, post in RnF, Dischord, OOC, etc etc etc.

[Gustoo]

Play red. Tell your friends. It's like blue but you can solve some problems yourself. Otherwise you fraps em, same as blue. Get a little practice for red 2.0 which will be the next server that follows the classic timeline and will do so with all of the lessons learned from Green server.

Thanks.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Play red. Tell your friends. It's like blue but you can solve some problems yourself. Otherwise you fraps em, same as blue. Get a little practice for red 2.0 which will be the next server that follows the classic timeline and will do so with all of the lessons learned from Green server.

Thanks.

Good call thanks, I'll start on red today.

[cannobeers3]

Didn't OP already have a quit-post a couple months ago?

Either way, the game is the game. It will not change (here), aside from whatever workaround rules or alterations are put in place to counter the occasional exploit/raid BS/crybaby.

If the game is no longer enjoyable, why not just quit? Is it really worth it to you (OP and anyone else) to have anything about P99 get under your skin?

[Lambparade]

I have had very little negative experiences on blue/green over the last 10 years. Mind you I havn't joined any hardcore raiding guilds so maybe I'm just a prude [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The most fun part of EQ for me has always been lvling, going to new places, and getting gear for alts, and chatting while I med.

Maybe you should take a break? or play some other games. Eq isn't going anywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[cd288]

Originally Posted by cannobeers3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't OP already have a quit-post a couple months ago?

Either way, the game is the game. It will not change (here), aside from whatever workaround rules or alterations are put in place to counter the occasional exploit/raid BS/crybaby.

If the game is no longer enjoyable, why not just quit? Is it really worth it to you (OP and anyone else) to have anything about P99 get under your skin?

Yeah I thought he did. Did he delete it?

[Gustoo]

Its really easy to not get weighed down by the toxic

Don't try to be a level 60 raider

Be a level 50 druid and go buff people and help them with their quests.

ETC.

And if it gets bad, play another game.THis isn't a STFU post, but just a "go with your heart post" if EQ makes you feel bad throw it in the dumpster man.

[Bach]

GMs should enforce a Snake rotation just like what there is on blue, ST is toxic AF and ruined the raiding scene for everyone.

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Large-scale raiding is pointless and also completely unrewarding to me. I wonder why people do it?

First off, there is absolutely zero challenge. ZERO. Zero zero zero zero. Point zero. You swarm the mob and it goes down in 7.5 seconds every time. If anything goes wrong, like some idiot trains the zone, then it's literally a 10 minute setback. The entire raid has been done 600 times before so there is no deviation. It's rote.

Second, any gear you get is useless. You are already on the raid and the boss is gonna go down in 7.5 seconds with or without your Magical Super Club. And that Magical Super Club feels worthless to you because it was handed to your for showing up. You got enough points for simply showing up, here it is. Cherish your participation trophy, don't worry no one is going to parse the logs to find out you did nothing of substance.

I keep track of people as a hobby. I fill up mule friends lists with names of known high level people in various guilds just to see where they go, what they're doing. I'll tell you what they're doing. They're quitting. They churn rate is tremendous. I have a hundred people over 55 I never see any more and I've only been doing this for two months. I see them join various guilds, then I see them in a couple of raids, then they're no longer online. The core, the leadership as it were, they stick around. And around them swirl dozens of newcomers every week, never to be seen in a months time.

I know why. Because there is no challenge. They are fed this fantasy all their leveling life that the raiding life awaits them, the can help kill the dragons and get super loot! And when they get there they realize that the only challenge is showing up on time. But they keep coming because they have been conditioned that this is the end-game and then they quit because the end-game is a chore.

It seems like the leadership runs these raids not for the loot. They run these to become better middle managers and deliver the project on time. The satisfaction they get is increasing the ROI so the Big Boss goes down in less time than projections have showed. And you are just a temp, without benefits and health insurance, working in their office building.

I had people on my lists from smaller guilds who were swallowed by the larger guilds so they could raid. Guess what? Those folks are gone, the vast majority of them. Looks like the lawn was brown on the other side of the fence too.

Good post. The happier types enjoying the game typically aren't raiding.

[Bach]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Large-scale raiding is pointless and also completely unrewarding to me. I wonder why people do it?

First off, there is absolutely zero challenge. ZERO. Zero zero zero zero. Point zero. You swarm the mob and it goes down in 7.5 seconds every time. If anything goes wrong, like some idiot trains the zone, then it's literally a 10 minute setback. The entire raid has been done 600 times before so there is no deviation. It's rote.

Second, any gear you get is useless. You are already on the raid and the boss is gonna go down in 7.5 seconds with or without your Magical Super Club. And that Magical Super Club feels worthless to you because it was handed to your for showing up. You got enough points for simply showing up, here it is. Cherish your participation trophy, don't worry no one is going to parse the logs to find out you did nothing of substance.

I keep track of people as a hobby. I fill up mule friends lists with names of known high level people in various guilds just to see where they go, what they're doing. I'll tell you what they're doing. They're quitting. They churn rate is tremendous. I have a hundred people over 55 I never see any more and I've only been doing this for two months. I see them join various guilds, then I see them in a couple of raids, then they're no longer online. The core, the leadership as it were, they stick around. And around them swirl dozens of newcomers every week, never to be seen in a months time.

I know why. Because there is no challenge. They are fed this fantasy all their leveling life that the raiding life awaits them, the can help kill the dragons and get super loot! And when they get there they realize that the only challenge is showing up on time. But they keep coming because they have been conditioned that this is the end-game and then they quit because the end-game is a chore.

It seems like the leadership runs these raids not for the loot. They run these to become better middle managers and deliver the project on time. The satisfaction they get is increasing the ROI so the Big Boss goes down in less time than projections have showed. And you are just a temp, without benefits and health insurance, working in their office building.

I had people on my lists from smaller guilds who were swallowed by the larger guilds so they could raid. Guess what? Those folks are gone, the vast majority of them. Looks like the lawn was brown on the other side of the fence too.

Raiding is nostalgia value, nothing more nothing less.

Getting pride in being the first one to down mobs that have been downed millions of time on live is sad.
I mean the strats are widely available, mechanics that were obscure before are now well known, there s very little challenge.


I just don't get the people in ST taking things so seriously, there is litteraly nothing competitive about a 20 year old raid, showing up asap isn't being competitive, playing mario kart races to decide who gets the loot_pinata_4549 is dumb, it's not how the game was and it's not enjoyable for anyone.

The fun is the reliving past glory with friends, nothing more nothing less.

You want some challenge, you should play live EQ, new and fresh challenging raids awaits, and mario kart is also on switch!