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One of the reasons I was pushing this issue Guinea is because of the easy trade off I could be making in not worrying about HPs as much and getting 255cha easy.
However, if the same diminishing returns principle applies to cha that applies to int then 255cha wouldn't be worth it if I'm giving up 200+hps. Although the mobs at these levels are hitting super hard already, I've definitely lived several times just because of that extra HP pool. If cha is unlike int and 255 cha is a good thing for charming, then losing the HPs is worth it. (If hypothetically 255cha was netting me 5min average charms vs 3 min average charms of 200cha, then giving up HPs would be a no brainer. I know it's all random, so I guess without massive empirical testing on this server, we'll never know.) I just can't figure out if it's the former or later. I appreciate your answer, nonetheless, and I think you're right that my mileage may vary and simply depend on if I'm charm soloing, charm duoing, charm grouping, or just normal CC grouping. | ||
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Last edited by Seducio; 05-18-2011 at 10:03 PM..
Reason: Clarified is 255cha 'good'?
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I believe it's 10mana/int below 200 and 5mana/int above (at level 60?). I've always gone for cha first and int/mana/hp/ac second, under the assumption that it benefits not only charming but mez resists as well (fewer resists = less necessity for hps and shit anyway). Plus, stacking Berserker Spirit and Rune V is like an extra 1k hp or so buffer (more when I get Bedlam, the level 58 version of BS), so I never really cared about losing 10dex and 14cha (pair of electrum star ruby rings) for 110hp and 10ac (fighting 50+ mobs, that gives you what, an extra 2/3 of a mob's melee?). Also, I'm operating under the assumption that more dex = regain your concentration and continue casting. I could be dead wrong about cha affecting mez resists, and dex affecting channeling, but at 251 cha I notice almost no difference between pre and post nerf charming, as long as I restrict myself to high 40s/low 50s mobs. I've been soloing north and west wing of HS easily with charm. Zol knights (the weakest mobs in seb) hold full duration for me, and some still con db. I did a hate run the other night and held clerics as pets fairly well (with malo though), had a few quick breaks within a minute or two, but for the most part I was getting several minutes per charm (though full duration only once or twice). In summary, I am a cha whore. I will always want my cha to be as close to 255 as possible without going over, after which I'll take whatever involves the most int/mana/hp/ac/dex/agi (more assumptions, this time that higher agi = more dodge - and I do wear Insidious Slippers over GEBs). Just keep refreshing that Berserker Spirit, your Rune V should get eaten just a little bit at a time (I've actually had it last the full 110 mins or whatever a few times), and hp gear won't really matter much.
Edit - currently I'm at level 59, probably makes a big difference compared to the level 55/56 guy charming in HS. | ||
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Last edited by Heartbeats; 05-18-2011 at 10:27 PM..
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I think the question you are not answering for him though is if there is any difference between your 251-255 charisma versus 200. In my opinion there is way too much luck involved to loose all those HP/AC and resists.
Hence my example of how despite my gaining a level and hitting the charisma cap I had a worse experience yesterday than I did a week ago with one less level and being roughly 15 points below the charisma cap. It could have totally gone the other way, I realize that. But it just goes to show how random the charisma check can be. It is after all the last thing that's checked after resists, level, etc. I can honestly say that on live enchanters generally did not bother with trying to stick to 255 charisma. When ever you were close to 200 you would try to squeeze as much into your hitpoints and resists as possible. Because surviving or straight up resisting an ice comet from one of the thousands of wizards scattered throughout the Kunark dungeons is more imporant than getting an extra 30 seconds out of charm. The surest way for a charm to break is to have a dead enchanter. Will I continue to try things with my charisma capped? Sure I will. But I find that having 150+ cold and magic resists in seb makes that zone a cakewalk. | ||
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The whole thread rests on this. I enjoy both perspectives on display here between cha and hp. Realistically different situations call for different equipment. But p99 definitely is not Live and I'd love to hear from others even more diverse ways of how different high level chanters are looking at this issue on this specific server. Since this is called Everquest, I always like to think I'm after something. Just trying to figure out what rode that is. (hard cap fulfillment vs HP and resists... and all the tradeoffs and different situations that go along with those tradeoffs) | |||
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Meh. I feel like equipment means nothing in this game. Have all the stats I need with trashy old world loot, no real desire to invest 20 hours raiding for +25 hp or something:
L Ear: Opalline Earring R Ear: Opalline Earring Head: Siryn Hair Hood Face: Incandescent Mask Chest: Robe of the Ishva Arms: Gatorscale Sleeves Waist: Braided Cinch Cord Neck: Sarnak Arcane Fetish Back: Cloak of the Mystics (the felwithe quest one) Shoulders: Embroidered Black Cape L Wrist: Cat's Eye +7 CHA thing R Wrist: Cat's Eye +7 CHA thing Legs: Drake-hide Leggings Hands: Impskin Gloves Feet: Golden Efreeti Boots (SolB/optional) L Ring: Platinum Fire Wedding Band R Ring: Platinum Fire Wedding Band Primary: Incandescent Wand Secondary: A Crude Stein (the most high-end of high-end chanter loot) 185 INT / 236 CHA simultaneously self-buffed with Enlightenment / Overwhelming Splendor. Really don't see how anything from raiding is worth the time/sanity investment. Kinda sucks that there's no real loot left to go for, but that just means I can EC anything I win. In the backpack for high INT situations: Tolapumj's Robe Supple Scale Arm Book of Obulus Stein of Moggok Used to have bracelets of woven grass but then I gave em away. Shrug. | ||
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#6
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It's been a little while since I've updated this thread so here's the latest that I have for ya.
Below you will find a list of EVERY possible piece of equipment currently available on p99 for Enchanters in the 50+ range that they might consider wearing. Whether you are optimizing for Cha, HP, MP, or how you look you will find your items here. Each slot is ranked by me from weakest item to strongest item. (Your mileage on these judgements may vary) NOTE: I am very open to all comments/suggestions. If there are any items I missed please let me know. Particularly useful would be suggestions for the Notable Resist Gear section Enjoy. Chest: Silk Evening Tunic (1AC 5cha) - Purchased from Iala Lenard in South Qeynos Robe: Nobles Robes (6AC 5cha 6fire 6cold 3magic 3dis 3poi) - a fallen noble in Mistmoore Robe of Dalnir (6AC 15MP 3str 3wis 3int 3agi) - a kly imprecator in Dalnir Robe of the Foci (10AC 25MP 3dex 3sta 4int 3agi) - a coerced penkeeperin Dalnir Ghostly Robes (10AC 6int 8fire 8magic) - Champion Thenrin and Ffroaak in Trakanon's Teeth Robe of the Oracle (9AC 25MP 5wis 5int) - Oracle of K`Arnon in Ocean of Tears Advisor Robe (8AC 20MP 2agi 5int 5magic) - an advisor in Mistmoore Shining Metallic Robes ( 10AC 9int 8fire 8cold) - the ghoul arch magus in Lower Guk Robe of the Isvha (8AC 50MP 5cha 14poi) - The Ishva Mal in Splitpaw **Robe of the Kedge (8AC 100MP 10sta) - Phinigel Autropos (Mini Boss) in Kedge Keep Siren Scale Robe (10AC 10int 10cold 10magic) - the Crypt Keeper in Howling Stones Froglok Bonecaster's Robe (10AC 40MP 8str 8int 10fire 10magic) - Gruplinort in Sebilis Tolapumj's Robe (14AC 50MP 5str 5wis 10int 36%haste) - Tolapumj in Sebilis *Cyrosilk Robe (11AC 35MP 9dex 13sta 13int) - a spinechiller spider in Plane of Fear *Insidious Robe (11AC 35MP 8dex 10sta 3cha 13int) - a forsaken revenant (female) in Plane of Hate **Mana Robe (14AC 8int Effect Mana Conversion) - Trakanon (Dragon) in Sebilis **Crimson Robe of Alendine (12AC 50HP 50MP 15dex 15int) - Cazic Thule (God) in Plane of Fear Ear: Batskull Earring (5int) - The Great Oowomp in Timorous Deep and Chief Goonda in West Karana Ivandyr's Loop (6AC 6HP 6wis 6int) - Quest from Lynuga (Troll) in Innothule Swamp Opalline Earring (2AC 5cha) - undead barkeep in Unrest Black Sapphire Electrum Earring (2AC 35HP 25MP) - Crafted by Jeweler with Black Sapphire *Earring of Displacement (6AC 25MP 4cha 4int) - Test of Disillusion Quest in Plane of Sky Head: Rune Cowl (2AC 5wis 9int) - a ghoul sage in Lower Guk Platinum Tiara (3AC 35HP 50MP) - a froglock tactician in Lower Guk Siryn Hair Hood (5AC 13cha 10fire) - Quid Rilstone in Rathe Mountains *Cyrosilk Cap (5AC 10HP 10MP 13cha 9wis 7int 9magic) - a spinechiller spider in Plane of Fear *Insidious Halo (5AC 10HP 10MP 20cha 7int 10magic) - a forsaken revenant (female) in Plane of Hate Face: Polished Mithril Mask (5AC 7wis 7int) - Warlord Skarlon & Magus Rokyl (FGs) in Solusek B Bone Mask of the Jarsath (7AC 2str 8cha 4wis 5dis 5poi) - sebilite guardian in Sebilis Platinum Star Ruby Veil (9dex 9cha) - Crafted by a Jeweler with a Star Ruby Enshrouded Veil (7AC 30HP 30MP 2wis 2int 10fire) - Embalming Fluid in Howling Stones Incandescent Mask (3AC 7cha 5int) - Quest from Sultin in Temple of Solusek *Ivory Mask (6AC 30MP 6cha 6int) - Test of Deception Quest in Plane of Sky **Tobrin's Mystical Eyepatch (15wis 15int) - Lady Vox in Permafrost **Eye of Cazic Thule (15AC 50HP 100MP 5sta -25cha 5wis 5int 5fire 5cold 5magic 5dis 5poi) - Cazic Thule (God) in Plane of Fear Waist: Braided Cinch Cord (2AC 8HP 4int) - a ghoul sage in Lower Guk Giant Reminder String (2AC 5int) - Timbur the Tiny in North Karana *Sphynx Hair Cord (4AC 5cha 5int 10fire 10cold 10dis) - Test of Illusion Quest in Plane of Sky **Bone-Clasped Girdle (4AC 75Hp 75MP 7st 7sta 7dex) - Dracoliche in Plane of Fear **Grotesque Girdle (8AC 100HP 100Mana 10int 10wis) - Dracoliche in Plane of Fear Back: Kunzar Cloak (7AC 2wis 2int 10fire) - spectral librarian in Kaesora and caller of Sathir in Karnor's Onyx Drakescale Cloak (8AC 35MP 9agi) - Shardwing in Rathe Mountains Molten Cloak (4AC 4wis 4int) - Gabbie Mardoddle in Solusek A Mystic Cloak (8AC 5int 5magic) - Quest reward from Trilani Parlone in Erudin Hooded Black Cloak (10AC 45HP 5str) - a cloaked dhampyre in Mistmoore *Hierophant Cloak (10AC 75HP 75MP 4str 4sta 4agi 4dex 4cha 4int 4wis) - Hierophant Prime Grekal in Sebilis (Crypt camp) **White Dragonscale Cloak (10AC 75MP 9wis 9int 25cold) - Quest from Karam Dragonforge in Rathe Mountains (needs White Dragon Scales drop from Lady Vox + couple more items Neck: Glowing Bone Collar (5AC 25HP 25MP) - an ogre priestess in West Karana Choker of Majdd (4AC 5int ) - a goblin soothsayer in Droga Petrified Erudite Heart Amulet (2AC 15MP 5int) - kobold noble in Solusek B The Skull of Torture (2AC 10HP 10MP 5int) - Quest from a skeletal cook in Kurn's Tower Sapphire Platinum Necklace (7str 7int) - Crafted by Jeweler with a Sapphire Cat Eye Platinum Necklace (9cha) - Crafted by Jeweler with a Cat Eye Agate A Gypsy Medallin (2AC 9cha 10dis) - Korvik the Cursed in North Karana Sarnak Arcane Fetish (2dex 5cha 6int) - drops off various mobs in Chardok Black Sapphire Platinum Necklace (55HP 55MP) - Crafted by Jeweler with Black Sapphire *Necklace of Superiority (5AC 10HP 10MP 5str 5sta 5agi 5dex 5cha 5int 5wis 5fire 5cold 5magic 5dis 5poi) - Drusella Sathir in Howling Stones *Necklace of Whispering Winds (4AC 35MP 5sta 10cha 5int) - Test of Memorization Quest in Plane of Sky **Amulet of Necropotence (-100HP 13int 10magic) - Cazic Thule (God) in Plane of Fear Shoulder: Embroidered Black Cape (4AC 15HP 20MP) - a ghoul ritualist in Lower Guk Obulus Death Shroud (10AC 25MP 3str 5sta 3wis 1fire 1cold 1magic 1dis 1poi) - froglok dar knight in Sebilis Squallsurge Shawl (5AC 50MP 5sta) - Undertow in Kedge Keep Worn Cloth Mantle (6AC 5str 5cha 9agi) - a sebilite golem in Sebilis *Wind Walker's Mantle (6AC 50HP 5str 5dex 10cha 2agi) - Test of Metamorhism Quest in Plane of Sky Arms: Hollowed Bone Bracers (6AC 15MP 7magic) - Rathyl reincarnate in Najena Embroidered Black Sleeves (4AC 10HP 25MP) - a ghoul ritualist in Lower Guk Gatorscale Sleeves (6AC 15HP 4int) - an ancient croc in Upper Guk *Cyrosilk Sleeves (4AC 15HP 7int 9fire) - a spinechiller spider in Plane of Fear *Insidious Sleeves (4AC 10HP 3cha 7int 10fire) - a forsaken revenant (female) in Plane of Hate Hand: Incandescent Gloves (6AC 3MP 3str 3agi 3cha) - Quest from Sultin in Temple of Solusek Impskin Gloves (2AC 10MP 5int) - Kindle in Solusek A Godlen Efreeti Gauntlets (12AC 5wis 5int 10dis) - Noble Dojorn and Overseer of Air in Plane of Sky *Insidious Gloves (4AC 5MP 10dex 2cha 8int 10dis) - a forsaken revenant (female) in Plane of Hate **Slime of the Blood of Cazic Thule (16AC 20HP 20MP 2str 2dex 2sta 2agi 2cha 2wis 2int 2fire 2cold 2magic 2dis 2poi) - Cazic Thule (God) in Plane of Fear **Ancient Shissar Gauntlet (15AC 10str 10sta 20int 12dis 12poi) - Venril Sathir (Boss) in Kunark Wrist: *Inisdious Manacle (3AC 15MP 3str 3dex 2cha) - a forsaken revenant (female) in Plane of Hate Skullchip Bracelet (10MP 3wis 4int) - Miner Bordakn in Frontier Mountains Ring of the Ancients (6AC 5int) - an ancient cyclops in Ocean of Tears and South Ro Golden Chitin Bracer (5AC 5agi 5int) - noxious spider in Solusek B Golden Bracer (5AC 7str 7int) - A Crypt Spectre in Howling Stones Supple Scale Armband (3AC 25MP 5wis 5int 10fire) - a Drolvarg warlord in Karnor's Golden Cat Eye Bracelet (7cha) - Crafted by Jeweler with a Cat Eye *Bracelet of Quiescence (20MP 7cha 7 int) - drops off various mobs in Plane of Sky **Zombie Flesh Bracer (6AC 65HP 65MP 5int) - Dracoliche in Plane of Fear Legs: Silversilk Leggings (4AC 12HP 4agi) - the ghould arch magus in Lower Guk Black Chitin Leggins (7AC 10HP 10MP) - death beetle in Solusek B Gatorscale Leggings (7AC 15HP 4wis) - an ancient croc in Upper Guk Drake-Hide Leggings (5AC 5dex 5cha) - fire goblin bartender in Solusek A *Insidious Pantaloons (5AC 15HP 3str 3cha 10cold) - a forsaken revenant (female) in Plane of Hate Feet: Kobold-Hide Boots (5AC 10HP 3agi) - kobold predator in Solusek A Polished Stone Anklet (5AC 2dex 2int) -a burynai cutter in Field of Bone Wolf Fur Slippers (2AC 20MP 7agi) - a goblin scryer in Permafrost *Insidious Slippers (4AC 15HP 10agi 3cha 10poi) - a forsaken revenant (female) in Plane of Hate Golden Efreeti Boots (5AC 9wis 9int 1poi) - Efreeti Lord Djarn in Solusek B Ring: Rose Platinum Engangement Ring (4int) - Crafted by Jeweler with Star Rose Quartz Electrum Star Ruby Ring (5dex 7cha) - Crafted by Jeweler with a Star Ruby Platinum Fire Wedding Ring (5AC 55HP) - Crafted by Jeweler with Fire Opal Band of Eternal Flame (5AC 25HP 25MP 4str 4int 10fire 10cold) - Skeletal Berserker in Karnor's Castle Djarn's Amethyst Ring (80HP 9agi) - Efreeti Lord Djarn in Solusek B Primary (fight): (broken into 3 sub-sections: piercing, 1h blunt, and 2h blunt) Sacrificial Dagger (1h piercing 5dam 21del 5int) - an imp familiar in Mistmoore Rod of Insidious Glamour (1h blunt 6dam 30del 2AC 12cha) - Quest from Sultin in Temple of Solusek *Rod of Oblations (1h blunt 6dam 27del 60mana 10fire 10cold) Drusella Sathir in Howling Stones **Orb of Tishan (1h blunt 7dam 25del 35MP 9str 9sta) - Lord Nagafen (Dragon) in Solusek B **Rod of Infinite Thought (1h blunt 10dam 30del 5cha) - Innoruk (God) in Plane of Hate ***Rod of Annihilation (1h blunt 60Dam 40Del -50int 10magic) - No longer drops, very rare ***Staff of the Serpent (1h blunt 11dam 24del 40HP 60MP 5str 10sta 15cha 20int 10fire 10dis 10cold 10magic 10 poi) - Epic, not in game yet Staff of the Observers (2h blunt 12dam 35del 30MP 5wis 5int) - Quest from Brona Frugrin in Steamfront Mountains Runewood Great Staff (2h blunt 22dam 40del 2dex 5magic) - greater spurbone in City of Mist Withered Staff (2h blunt 11dam 24del effect:insipid weakness) - drops off various Sarnaks in Chardok Staff of the Waterwalker (2h blunt 18dam 38del 100HP 10wis 10int) - Gangrenous Scarab in Sebilis **Shissar Nullifier Staff (2h blunt 11dam 24del 4AC 50MP 10int) - Venril Sathir (Boss) in Karnor's *Rod of Warding Winds (2h blunt 15dam 45el 75MP 5cha 15int) - Test of Incapacitation in Plane of Sky *Rod of the Protecting Winds (2h blunt 35dam 45del 10AC 75MP 15cha 15int) - Test of Incapacitation in Plane of Sky Primary (non-fight): A Glowing Torch (7AC 5cha) - Tisella in Lavastorm Hexed Kerran Doll (30MP 6cha) - The Kerran Sha'rr in Toxxulia Forest Bargynn's Torch (2wis 2int 2fire) - Bargynn in Kurn's Tower Spirit Tome (6wis 6int) - spectral librarian and tortured librarian in Kaesora Black Tome with Silver Runes (30MP 4int) - a froglock tactician in Lower Guk Cone of the Mystics (5AC 50MP 5wis 5int) - blood of chottal in Sebilis *Hand of the Maestro (5AC 20HP 30MP 5int) - Maestro of Rancor (Mini Boss) in Plane of Hate Gnoll Hide Tome (15HP -10str 5wis 10int 10poi) - Rosch Val L`Vlor in Southern Karana Secondary: Crude Stein (10sta 15cha) - drops off Bouncers in Oggok (easy to buy off spoils sold to Oggok merchants) Stein of Tears (25MP 5sta 5cha 5wis 5int) - Bile Sentinel in Howling Stones Glowing Black Stone (9int 10magic) - Pyzjn in Qeynos Hills Drachnid Thyxl (5AC 40MP 5int 10magic) - a dread widow in Dreadlands Stein of Moggok (10HP 5dex 10int 25dis) - Old World Quest Book of Obulus (45MP 8wis 8int 5fire 5magic) - Spectra Turnkey in Karnor's, Brogg in Sebilis Cryosilk Webshield (10AC 35HP 7dex 7int) - a spinechiller spider in Plane of Fear Rokyls Channelling Crystal (10AC 50HP 50MP) - Magus Rokyl (Fire Giant) in Solusek B Ornate Rune Shield (15AC 10MP 8int 5fire 5dis 5cold 5magic 5poi) - Neh`Ashiir in City of Mist *Insignia Protector (20AC 20MP 5cha 10wis 10int 10fire 10cold 10magic) - Queen Velazul Di'zok (Royals) in Chardok Range: Dragoon Dirk (6dam 23del 2dex 3magic) - Ambassador DVinn in Crushbone and other Dragoons around Norrath Sarnak Ceremonial Dagger (6dam 38del 3wis 3int) - randomly drops off various sarnaks in Kunark Dustscryer's Crystal Ball (30MP 2int) - A Goblin Dustscryer in Frontier Mountains **Brain of Cazic Thule (10AC 100HP 100MP 10str 10sta -25cha 10wis 10int 10fire 10cold 10magic 10dis 10poi +1mana regen) - Cazic Thule (God) in Plane of Fear Ammo: A Throwing Axe (Weight 1 stone) - Purchased from Cikoona in Oggok Turmoil Warts (Weight .3 stone) - A Turmoil Toad in Plane of Fear __________________________________________________ __________________________ Notable Resist Gear: Earring of Essence (30HP 10magic) - Soothsayer Degzak in Droga Crown of King Tranix (13AC 15cha 20magic) - King Tranix (Fire Giant) in Solusek B Crown of the Froglok Kings (12AC 20fire 20cold) - the froglok king in Lower Guk Cloak of the Ice Bear (8AC 10HP 20cold) - Karg Icebear and Martar Icebear in Everfrost White Satin Gloves (4AC 25HP 25MP 30fire -5cold -5magic -5dis -5poi) - drops off various mobs in Plane of Sky Thex Dagger (Range slot 4dam 24del 50dis) - Extremely rare, no longer drops Situationally Optional: Adamantite Band (75HP -10magic) - a reanimated hand in Lower Guk Chipped Bone Rod (3 charges of Locate Corpse) - drops off various mobs in Befallen Goblin Gazughi Ring (1AC 5magic / Clickie effect-> invis to animals instantly ends charm) - a Sarnak courier in Lake of Ill omen Pegasus Feather Cloak (6AC 7dex Levitate Clickie) - Quillmane in South Karana **Shield of the Immaculate (25AC 10str 25dis Cure Disease Clickie) - Innoruuk (God) in Plane of Hate **Wand of Mana Tapping (1h blunt 5dam 30del 7charges of Mana Sieve) - Phinigel Autropos (Boss) in Kedge Keep Worker Sledgemallet (OT gate hammer) - Undead Foreman Quest in Overthere Strength items (to carry more stuff): Thick Banded Belt (8AC 15str) - a ghoul supplier in Lower Guk Gauntlets of Potence (8AC 15str) - a goblin bodyguard in Droga *Gear from Planes and very rare Kunark mobs **Gear from Gods, Dragons, Bosses - extremely rare ***Gear that no longer drops and Epic Gear not yet in game NOTE: I am very open to all comments/suggestions. If there are any items I missed please let me know. Particularly useful would be suggestions for the Notable Resist Gear section | ||
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I priorities in this order hp/ac/cha/int.
I put int last because it is very easy to get to acceptable levels. you mentioned your charming a fair bit... depends on how your charming... get yourself a charm kit. -silver jacinth wedding ring or adamantine rings -rusty spiked shoulder pads -two weapons -cheap haste item give the items to the charmed critter. Note you will lose the items if your pet dies to an npc or the server disconnects. | ||
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Hit me up in game and ill show ya what im using. I got some things you may want to try to get in the near future.
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On a side note, I don't think anyone mentioned wrist items. Easiest upgrades for you to obtain would be the enchanter bracer from Sky (can even drop on Island 1 I think). The other being the supple scale armband that drops in KC.
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There's just not that much equipment drops for us in Kunark. Everything that's an upgrade isn't much of an upgrade and comes from hate/fear/sky.
Of course, this means you can just play your character and not worry about loots. I feel like having my current 230 CHA is way nicer than my old 200 CHA but that could all be in my head. | ||
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