Will you play a monk or necro to start?

[Gustoo]

Ogre shaman is a billion times better than troll.

But iksar Necro and monk make players not roll those classes in classic because iksar so much better.

So kinda sad. Theyre just way way better.

Obviously nothing is going to change here but I liked original balance better as well. It's not a black eye but it makes classic timeline necros and monks who don't wait for iksars a real hard choice since we know they're coming

On non pvp it's easy to justify. Be a good race and enjoy the game more. For pve the iksar superiority doesn't matter.

But for red it's a toon youd wanna delete when kunark launches

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre shaman is a billion times better than troll.

Certainly not true in vanilla EQ.

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But iksar Necro and monk make players not roll those classes in classic because iksar so much better.

I think it's a much bigger deal for monks. At least a necro can go gnome for wall hacks and they already have all their life drain spells and what not and the regen isn't that great until you are 50+ post kunark. You could argue the exp penalty would make up nearly as much if not more than the hp regen difference between 50-60. Iksar are certainly better overall but it's really not that big of a deal, especially since necros post kunark tend to be not terribly relevant in end game raiding anyway. Could even put all your points in STR too to carry more loot for the hell of it. Not going to make much difference.

[GnomeCaptain]

EQ designers succumbed to temptation to make a new race OP in order to boost expansion sales.

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by GnomeCaptain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ designers succumbed to temptation to make a new race OP in order to boost expansion sales.

Iksar Monks aren't going to be doing content a human monk with the same gear, game knowledge and play skill can't do.

Same goes for Necromancers.

[Sillyturtle]

I don’t even know if I’m going to play now with how bad some of these changes are but if I do it won’t be a mana class. Fuck staring at a book until whatever patch implements level 35 bookless meditate.

[soronil]

Originally Posted by Sillyturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t even know if I’m going to play now with how bad some of these changes are but if I do it won’t be a mana class. Fuck staring at a book until whatever patch implements level 35 bookless meditate.

Keep up. The original post was mostly trolling. The screen will not go black (I assume he used a /viewport macro to do that). You'll have the spell book up but it only takes up a small part of the screen.

[ScottBerta]

All classses that can be Ogre should be Ogre

[Danth]

Ignoring the min/max debate, there's a practical consideration here: Kunark lasts for barely more than 7 months. A moderate-rate player (some hours a day, most but not all days) will easily take the majority of that 7 months to do 50 to 60 even if he stays solely on one character. If he plays alts as well, it'll take all of it or he might not make 60 prior to Velious opening. If that same moderate player is starting from level 1, forget doing any high-level content in Kunark until after Velious is out.

Point being: If you want to experience the max-level game during Kunark and aren't a high-hours player, don't wait for Iksar.

Danth

[Tyronius of Midnight]

The Necromancer is the only path. Total destruction to the Elves of Faydwer is what I choose to do.

[tsuchang]

I had a friend who often complained how classes and races kept being nerfed to "make it more fair".
I agree with his sentiment of "If you don't like an Iksar shaman being more powerful than you, roll one and be powerful too. Or learn to play your character well enough to beat em."