Miscellaneous: P99 should have a +Mana cap and revised Base Mana Formula

[Raavak]

Absor Station Admin posted 08-09-2002 12:20 PM One additional clarification: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This change just affects + Mana items. We didn't change the way a players mana is calculated from intelligence or wisdom, and we're happy with how that part of the system works. - Rich

This thread/subject came up in Luclin era. Maybe the cap wasn't noticed until gear from that expansion?

If mana from wis/int is calculated wrong, I'd rather see that worked on personally.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread/subject came up in Luclin era. Maybe the cap wasn't noticed until gear from that expansion?

If mana from wis/int is calculated wrong, I'd rather see that worked on personally.

It definitely became more apparent during Luclin, but the era really doesn't matter as there is confirmation that the cap was always in place since Day 1 launch.

I'm no dev so I don't know the difficulties in getting int/wis mana to calculate properly (just look at the nightmare that is displaying proper AC values). Maybe there is some client issue or a complicated thing to work on.

Either way, the number of the cap could be a good fix for now if there aren't any client issues doing so. People will still reach the cap easier than they could have in Velious until wis/int mana is fixed, but won't have 300 - 600 additional mana than they could have.

[Daldaen]

I'm curious if the cap is just worn Mana or does it also include buffs like Gift of Brilliance.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm curious if the cap is just worn Mana or does it also include buffs like Gift of Brilliance.

I sincerely hope mana buffs stack on top of the cap, else it will just further trivialize mana pools. The post specifically mentions +mana items, so I would interpret that as anything from your INT/WIS + Items cannot exceed 4,126 mana.

Probably much like worn AC used to have a hard cap but buffs still worked.

But who knows, I'll try and do some digging to confirm.

I'm not too knowledgeable on what classes have what +mana buffs or self buffs / clickies / songs and which stack and which don't. GoB looks to give +150 mana, if it didn't stack then no caster would really need to gear past 3,976 mana on raids if they paid attention to buffs. I'm sure there are at least 2 slots where people use +65 or +75 mana... this would just further trivialize gearing in my opinion.

But again, will try and dig up some evidence.

[Erati]

cap it at 5K then

I just dont understand the purpose here if players wont reach the cap anyway whats the point ?

[Fazlazen]

I sense a lot of entitled scared poopsockers in here.

Bump for great classical justice

[Daldaen]

Reminds me of the great classic Ele-ing when Druid track got nerfed down to 20/50 skill after several years of 125 track on P99 Druids. Hit right in the feels, but afterwards I'd never been so immersed. Mobs popping into vision before they appeared in the track window... I member.

[Raev]

I look forward to the 289 item AC hardcap as well

so you are probably safe happy

[Daldaen]

Don't let these nerds get to you Rygar.

People aren't simply hitting this Mana cap with HoT armor. My Druid has things like KT Boots/Belt, AoW Ring, HoT BP/Wrists, PoG/PoH2 Legs/Arms, Phara Dar Earring, Sanctum Earring, Epic, Falinkan, Hiero cloak etc. I am still 100 Mana away from hitting the cap. If I were to replace my Kunark/Velious raid gear with the best groupable alternatives you're looking at 400 Mana away and on top of that is the unclassic 275 Mana from 201-225 WIS Calculation.

The only people who will hit this cap are extremely hardcore raiders who have VP, NToV, Kael and City leader raid loot. More than half their slots filled with it. It's not your regular HoT geared caster that's going to be running into the cap. Especially if they can get the 201-255 scaling to work properly.

[Rygar]

Whatever the case may be, I think it will be interesting to see what drops that were previously considered 'alt fodder' become part of a caster's BiS build. I know there are sometimes items that people would like but 'ugh, only +50 mana', but now become a hot ticket. Maybe you don't need that Vulak piece to get maxed out.

Maybe smart raiders will read the writing on the wall and get some cheap grabs, or realize they can hit cap with sticking to things like HoT robe / BP or bid on some +100 HP items for some slots.

The best part is it would open up FashionQuest to people, of course.