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[Omnimorph]

Con the corpse next time to see how long he'd been dead.

Also why did he die? afk? I mean i have limited sympathy for this story, he died, fair enough, but if you wander into a zone and a camp is free, you're gonna claim it right, if some guy comes up later and says he was there and died.

How long are we talking? If i showed up and then 10-15 minutes later someone shows up and says they were there and died. Then it's unfortunate, but you lost the camp, you can't expect it to still be vacant when you get back (nice if it is... but if it isn't you have to move on)

Yes it's a terrible thing when someone moves in on your camp, but at some point you have to say, "ok, i messed it up, next time i won't die etc." and just move on.

[Messianic]

I fail to see how one instance of pseudo-camp stealing is worth "taking it all back."

If all it takes is one bad event to ruin a good community, no good communities exist at all.

[Krimsin]

I'd have jacked his "camp" too.

Dead men can't claim a camp.

[karsten]

dead men tell no tales

[Dr4z3r]

Originally Posted by Phragmar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He was camping AC ... and kept a hill occupied today from 6ish this morning until even now.

If I were in his place, I would have been glad for the excuse to give up.

[Spewys]

Not everyone is as nice as me:-) I would not have taken his camp or whatever it was. However......

[Phragmar]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I fail to see how one instance of pseudo-camp stealing is worth "taking it all back."

If all it takes is one bad event to ruin a good community, no good communities exist at all.

Ruin the whole community? no, but motivate me to withdraw my heaping praise? sure. My misunderstanding came because I made the mistake of believing this community was special because everyone here--so I thought--understood the fact that this server is unusually fragile, and everyone here had a common goal of preserving it. My bad.

I guess it just hit me so hard because it's classic EQ. If this were WOW, he'd have leveled to 40ish in a couple weeks and been camping for--well he wouldn't be camping at all, because most of the new games got rid of this stuff because of instances like this. Then I could shrug it off, just pixels, etc. After all, no real investment.

But EQ--well, old EQ--is grindy and punishing, and that's part of what makes it rewarding. At the same time, though, that's why it turns my stomach to see people treat each other this way in this environment. You're stealing the man's rations who is alive and hungry in the trench beside you. Frankly the whole thing has made me question if it's worth my time to level up a toon here. They replaced EQ with games like WOW--with all of the loathsome, miserable, world-limiting, vision-shattering restrictions--because they realized that people will innately be asshats to each other. And maybe they had a point.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/

I guess it was easy for me, having been away from EQ for so long and idealizing the good memories, to forget that human nature doesn't make an exception just because the human in question is depending on only 600 other people at a given time to allow his recreation experience to be entertaining.

Finally, @ wall-of-text complaints, I promise I will not come to your house, climb in your window, and twist your arm to make you read my posts.

[Rhodes]

serious business.

[Klyre]

Phragmar

I am going to take a moment to answer your question, and to precursor it I am a member of Vesica Dei so take it for what its worth.

So I guess that's my question, abstract though it may be. Is it really all the same? All the same camp-stealing, kill-stealing, loot-ninjaing, hate-filled animosity from live? Am I going to make it to level 40 just to have someone single-handedly turn 24-hours of hard work into a waste? It's a different perspective for me, I'll confess, since I think it accounts for a lot of why games like Everquest can't be made anymore, but maybe I was more optimistic over a few good experiences than I should have been.

Is it the same, NO it isn't. Nothing is ever the same. But I do suggest you look at what rules have been established here on 99. Rules on camps are pretty straight forward and if you have a problem with them, then I guess your going to be disappointed. Many people will be considerate and do the right thing and honor a camp, but again many will not and will go by the letter of P99 law. I can't tell you how many times I have been at a camp and had it wipe and some knuckle head in your group will shout out that they want a 90% rez even when they have a Cleric in the party. Talk about an invitation to lose your camp.

There are many cool people out there (and yes believe it or not, some of them are Vesica Dei) and you will have great experiences with them like you had with Rilen. Thank you Rilen for showing the best of what P99 has to offer. You will also have some people who will be not so nice, and will be very devious when it comes to playing.

This whole server is like a family and you will have some good and some bad experiences.

The only real advice I have for you is to find good friends to play with and ignore those that would ruin your fun. This is a game after all.

My only disappointment is that you needed to point out the guild of Vesica Dei as being a problem. I will make sure that you concern is brought before the Officers of the guild, however from your post if Rilen really died on his own then I am not sure he would have a reason to complain. Vesica Dei takes its reputation very seriously, if there is an issue it will be addressed
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Hating on guilds as a whole is one of my pet peeves for the actions of a few members and I preach that to my guild members at all times. There have been guilds that get a bad reputation and some for good reason, but never let that rule your thinking that they will always be that way or that it represents the entire membership.

[Phragmar]

Originally Posted by Rhodes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

serious business.

Thanks for your contribution to the discourse.