100-150k Christmas Giveaway/Contest on Thursday, December 22nd @ 7 PM CST

[Tupakk]

Why not use stream to spread the word even further. In this day and age people want to see more, react more and feel involved in something. Thus Twitch was born. If you think he is using it to further his own stream well that is just silly.

We will use all available resources in order to inform people. Forums, FB, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, CarrierPigeon, In Game, EC Tunnels, and everything else in between.

Nobody in the Dept of Fun is in this for anything but Fun!!

So HAVE FUN and Show up on the 22nd and GL with the raffle!!

[redhorse]

It's obviously as much a promotion for his twitch stream as it is a giveaway. Still cool to get a chance at free stuff, but, it's not purely altruistic. There is self interest at work as well. Self interest veiled as charity is often very problematic in the real world. Seems ok in this instance though. Dude wants some twitch followers for fun times and a hobby. Helping him him out small price to pay for this raffle! ��

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Tupakk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why not use stream to spread the word even further.

I see, so forgive my ignorance here, I don't use Twitch. How does Twitch spread the word of this event exactly? I am just trying to understand how people who don't log in, don't play the game will run across this stream. Are live streams of P99 really that popular?

Are you saying that someone could possibly happen upon this live stream on Twitch then feel compelled to get a copy of Titanium EQ, install it according to P99 instructions and play just from seeing such an event?

Originally Posted by Tupakk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In this day and age people want to see more, react more and feel involved in something. Thus Twitch was born. If you think he is using it to further his own stream well that is just silly.

Ok, again who is seeing it and being part of this event other than the players on the server?

How does Twitch make people feel more a part of the event, than actually being involved in the event?

I don't know if it's even possible to "further" one's own stream because I don't use it and I am not familiar with how or if it generates revenue or helps the streamer personally.

[Sorn]

Speaking as someone who streams events, it actually provides a couple of nice advantages compared to simply keeping it in game.

1) More people hear about it/find it - the more the merrier!
2) People not necessarily in your zone can interact with you in a way besides tells. Also people who aren't in-game can speak with you.
3) It's ends up being a lot like a radio show, only with gaming video. In other words, it's a form of interactive entertainment. You can share music and chat with other players. I think Speedi's got a bot that lets you request music as well. You can do a lot of stuff with it.
4) You can archive the broadcast for people who want to watch stuff while at work without you actually playing, as well as document things you've done that you might want to go back to watch again. We never had that kind of stuff back when EQ was first out. Would've been nice, I think [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The question of whether or not promoting your twitch channel is some form of arrogant self-promotion hasn't really cropped up until recently, I think because twitch has really started to take advantage of the popularity of some streamers and turned them into a kind of marketing tool for the gaming industry. It's also very standard for streamers to allow others to donate to them for whatever reason (something I don't really agree with personally). Twitch and the twitch community make it very, very easy to obtain some sort of personal gain through the otherwise unlucrative activity of gaming as a regular player.

That said, I don't think all stream promotion is inherently bad. Yeah, you do want more viewers for your stream. More viewers means more people to interact with while grinding. You can find people to team up with when you wanna take down something bigger than the usual stuff, despite not being in a guild or anything. You can make friends through streaming. You can demonstrate unique facets of a game (EX: Sirken shows some of the inner workings of petitionquest - certainly not something you normally see) or teach others strategies.

In regards to if not streaming would make the event seem more charitable...maybe, if you have a poor opinion of twitch streamers in general. But at the same time, it's still a really good advertising tool if you want more participation. P99 has a pretty good twitch community, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you saying that someone could possibly happen upon this live stream on Twitch then feel compelled to get a copy of Titanium EQ, install it according to P99 instructions and play just from seeing such an event?

Ok, again who is seeing it and being part of this event other than the players on the server?

To the first question, yes. I've seen this happen just with regular grinding streams. The person gets to ask a p99 player questions directly and even get help with installing or starting out. It's like a personal recommendation! For event streams, people actually see what's going on and see all the participation, and it's often quite different from regular MMOs and it gets them interested. Like a demonstration of the p99 community! Look at us, none of us are 15 year old boys screaming that we're going to rape each other! Yay!

Second question: p99 streamers are able to select which game they're streaming, in this case EverQuest. This lumps them in with the live streamers, so they tend to label their streams Project 1999 before anything else. People who want to watch EQ stuff will search for streamers playing this particular game, and voila! They've found Project 1999.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Sorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speaking as someone who streams events, it actually provides a couple of nice advantages compared to simply keeping it in game.

1) More people hear about it/find it - the more the merrier!
2) People not necessarily in your zone can interact with you in a way besides tells. Also people who aren't in-game can speak with you.
3) It's ends up being a lot like a radio show, only with gaming video. In other words, it's a form of interactive entertainment. You can share music and chat with other players. I think Speedi's got a bot that lets you request music as well. You can do a lot of stuff with it.
4) You can archive the broadcast for people who want to watch stuff while at work without you actually playing, as well as document things you've done that you might want to go back to watch again. We never had that kind of stuff back when EQ was first out. Would've been nice, I think [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The question of whether or not promoting your twitch channel is some form of arrogant self-promotion hasn't really cropped up until recently, I think because twitch has really started to take advantage of the popularity of some streamers and turned them into a kind of marketing tool for the gaming industry. It's also very standard for streamers to allow others to donate to them for whatever reason (something I don't really agree with personally). Twitch and the twitch community make it very, very easy to obtain some sort of personal gain through the otherwise unlucrative activity of gaming as a regular player.

That said, I don't think all stream promotion is inherently bad. Yeah, you do want more viewers for your stream. More viewers means more people to interact with while grinding. You can find people to team up with when you wanna take down something bigger than the usual stuff, despite not being in a guild or anything. You can make friends through streaming. You can demonstrate unique facets of a game (EX: Sirken shows some of the inner workings of petitionquest - certainly not something you normally see) or teach others strategies.

In regards to if not streaming would make the event seem more charitable...maybe, if you have a poor opinion of twitch streamers in general. But at the same time, it's still a really good advertising tool if you want more participation. P99 has a pretty good twitch community, anyway.

When such an event is portrayed as some awesome good will event, yet requires people who participate to also use a live stream site I can't help but become suspicious of it.

When some people promote it as this wonderfully altruistic event and then get very defensive of it when you question the motives of the event or how exactly it works, I become suspicious of it.

I just wanted some clarity on the matter because I never used Twitch, (and probably never will.) I really wanted to understand the true purpose behind a live stream and how it enhances the event that the streamer is holding.

Thanks Sorn and Redhorse, for some sensible explanations on it.

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When such an event is portrayed as some awesome good will event, yet requires people who participate to also use a live stream site I can't help but become suspicious of it.

Yeah, this has more to do with twitch than anything else. Just the way it's set up. It DOES filter out troll accounts somewhat. You're able to moderate your twitch channel in case someone shows up screaming abuse as a form of opportunistic sociopathy.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Sorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, this has more to do with twitch than anything else. Just the way it's set up. It DOES filter out troll accounts somewhat. You're able to moderate your twitch channel in case someone shows up screaming abuse as a form of opportunistic sociopathy.

Thanks for clarifying it Sorn. I still won't be using Twitch. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for clarifying it Sorn. I still won't be using Twitch. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're welcome! To each their own [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You're welcome to come watch the contest after the raffle!

[Splade]

I really think this twitch subscriber begging should go under RMT.
Hey, come sub to my stream and possibly get free shit in game.
RMT...

[tiadashi]

Thxs Speedi ill try to make that 8)