so much litigationquest recently

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some folks still value their reputation and do the right thing just because its the right thing to do.

This would be good advice, if this were a real community, in the sense of existing in reality and not a game. I cannot in real life simply log on an alt and completely treat someone like garbage (within the rules) and get away with it by logging back in on my main. On EQ you can (provided u dont break external constraints established by staff) and there are no consequences because it's an alt. Who's to know who it is? Stop treating it like real life and see for what it is: a competitive game. In any competitive game the ideas of morality are lifted (again within the rules of the game), playing like they somehow hold any bearing only serves to handicap you. If someone chooses to treat people like garbage (and don't break any rules) if you perceive them to be at some sort of advantage because of it, or you feel you are at a disadvantage because of that, then you can either cry or adapt strategy that counters it. But the idea that you will do the right thing, because it is the right thing in the context of a video game is naive to even consider. IRL you are correct, not not here or any competitive game that isn't IRL.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This would be good advice, if this were a real community, in the sense of existing in reality and not a game. I cannot in real life simply log on an alt and completely treat someone like garbage (within the rules) and get away with it by logging back in on my main. On EQ you can (provided u dont break external constraints established by staff) and there are no consequences because it's an alt. Who's to know who it is? Stop treating it like real life and see for what it is: a competitive game. In any competitive game the ideas of morality are lifted (again within the rules of the game), playing like they somehow hold any bearing only serves to handicap you. If someone chooses to treat people like garbage (and don't break any rules) if you perceive them to be at some sort of advantage because of it, or you feel you are at a disadvantage because of that, then you can either cry or adapt strategy that counters it. But the idea that you will do the right thing, because it is the right thing in the context of a video game is naive to even consider. IRL you are correct, not not here or any competitive game that isn't IRL.

you totally misunderstood the segment of mine you quoted. i agree with you. the point of my post was that folks here DO NOT treat each right because of all the reasons I (and then you) listed. I also said that it is worse here than it was on live, because of the timeline being off allowing for even casual players to have maxed out multiple high end chars. I also said that I think it will get worse as the server continues to age.

what i said at the end of my post is that despite all of that, there are SOME folks that will still do the right thing simply because it is right. Obviously, EQ is only a game...but I stopped considering it MERELY a game a long time ago. EQ is played with REAL people.

Folks who value the community side of EQ more than the pixels have always found each other in EQ. On p99, people know who the guilds are that care more about the players behind the toon than the pixels looted. People also know the guilds that only care about pixel loot and only consider EQ a competitive game (played to be won!).

The very notion of playing EQ to win doesn't make sense to me. I realize that I'm by far in the minority on that...BUT I'm not the only one either. There are good communities---real communities---on p99.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you totally misunderstood the segment of mine you quoted. i agree with you. the point of my post was that folks here DO NOT treat each right because of all the reasons I (and then you) listed. I also said that it is worse here than it was on live, because of the timeline being off allowing for even casual players to have maxed out multiple high end chars. I also said that I think it will get worse as the server continues to age.

what i said at the end of my post is that despite all of that, there are SOME folks that will still do the right thing simply because it is right. Obviously, EQ is only a game...but I stopped considering it MERELY a game a long time ago. EQ is played with REAL people.

Folks who value the community side of EQ more than the pixels have always found each other in EQ. On p99, people know who the guilds are that care more about the players behind the toon than the pixels looted. People also know the guilds that only care about pixel loot and only consider EQ a competitive game (played to be won!).

The very notion of playing EQ to win doesn't make sense to me. I realize that I'm by far in the minority on that...BUT I'm not the only one either. There are good communities---real communities---on p99.

Fair enough, guess I misunderstood.

[sambal]

Let's just spitball here, but what if we gave all toons the same last name from the same account? Or all accounts that generally log in from the same MAC address would be required to have the same last name. I agree anonymity is a problem.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by sambal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's just spitball here, but what if we gave all toons the same last name from the same account? Or all accounts that generally log in from the same MAC address would be required to have the same last name. I agree anonymity is a problem.

The best solution so far offered is that all accounts MUST tie to a forum handle. Actions against accounts apply to forum accounts and vice versa. If you own multiple accounts they must be tied to the same forum account. Anyone can look up a character's master account.

Attempts to circumvent this will lead to the account in question being banned. Proxy IPs, throwaway forum accounts, etc. and the like can be detected in the same way that MQ users are.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The best solution so far offered is that all accounts MUST tie to a forum handle. Actions against accounts apply to forum accounts and vice versa. If you own multiple accounts they must be tied to the same forum account. Anyone can look up a character's master account.

Attempts to circumvent this will lead to the account in question being banned. Proxy IPs, throwaway forum accounts, etc. and the like can be detected in the same way that MQ users are.

Well there are a couple things that prevent that from being effective. The main thing is that rule lawyering isn't a bannable offense, and neither is being a dick which is what this thread is about. Also AFAIK the GMs don't hand out punishment to alt accounts so it really doesn't matter either way, the offending account gets banned and you can start right up again, until that changes no other changes in account management will matter.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The best solution so far offered is that all accounts MUST tie to a forum handle. Actions against accounts apply to forum accounts and vice versa. If you own multiple accounts they must be tied to the same forum account. Anyone can look up a character's master account.

Attempts to circumvent this will lead to the account in question being banned. Proxy IPs, throwaway forum accounts, etc. and the like can be detected in the same way that MQ users are.

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[sambal]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The best solution so far offered is that all accounts MUST tie to a forum handle. Actions against accounts apply to forum accounts and vice versa. If you own multiple accounts they must be tied to the same forum account. Anyone can look up a character's master account.

Attempts to circumvent this will lead to the account in question being banned. Proxy IPs, throwaway forum accounts, etc. and the like can be detected in the same way that MQ users are.

I get what you're saying, but how is the average person going to be able to access this information? If you can target a person and type /forumhandle or something, then that would be a good compromise.

[webrunner5]

The problem is the present, and past Top Guilds, have threw reason out the door for Pixels. Simple as that. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is the present, and past Top Guilds, have threw reason out the door for Pixels. Simple as that. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still blame account sales, it created a toxic culture that did not value reputation on this server that still exists today.