Stop the Socking

[Korben]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aka don't set up your Trak CotH group at the orb or your VS CotH group in DL.

P99 needs black and white rules else people will habitually line step if there's any gray area.

Then again I think the habitual like steppers should just be outright banned, it's not like after 4 years of doing it they can maintain plausible deniability about the rules and what is right and wrong... even though that's the story every time.

Personally, I think 16 hour windows are a huge contributor to the issue, and it also puts the smaller guilds at a disadvantage when they have to muster a Trak force at 4:14AM, after having the majority of their guild on alert for 12+ hours leading up to it.

On to the real socking issue, spawns like VS are just an ugly nightmare, and like you said you get someone with FTE to stall until their 40 friends run in to take a shit on him... In that specific circumstance I don't even know why we don't just allow spawn socking and no window, just pop him on a known timer.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 needs black and white rules else people will habitually line step if there's any gray area.

P99 needs fewer rules. The more rules you've created the less creativity there is for overcoming 'competition' and more creativity in rule lawyering the grey area.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 needs fewer rules. The more rules you've created the less creativity there is for overcoming 'competition' and more creativity in rule lawyering the grey area.

Needs streamlined rules, not fewer rules. Smaller doesn't mean better. Just so long as rules are clear and not convoluted they can be successful.

What rules do we have right now:

2 Trackers/Players near spawn
Trackers can't FTE
Can't pull VS to entrance (lol trains)
FTE means you cannot engage until mob resets. No FTE message means don't kill.
Kill mobs of your Class or FFA
Killing a VP or Class C mob make you Class C
Killing a Class R mob prevents you from engaging that Class R mob for next 2 Class R spawns
Class C/R mobs left up for 6 hours become FFA
Repop Bag Limit of 2 targets (VP excluded)

Then you yourselves in Class C have your own rules:

Taggers can only have SoW (no selos, cheetah, wolf form)
No CotHing just foot races

What I'm suggesting just broadens the first one. Change from "2 trackers near spawn" to "2 trackers in zone". Then adding "Don't poopsock on other side of zone line, just camp there".

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 needs black and white rules else people will habitually line step if there's any gray area.

Then again I think the habitual like steppers should just be outright banned, it's not like after 4 years of doing it they can maintain plausible deniability about the rules and what is right and wrong... even though that's the story every time.

Personally, I think 16 hour windows are a huge contributor to the issue, and it also puts the smaller guilds at a disadvantage when they have to muster a Trak force at 4:14AM, after having the majority of their guild on alert for 12+ hours leading up to it.

On to the real socking issue, spawns like VS are just an ugly nightmare, and like you said you get someone with FTE to stall until their 40 friends run in to take a shit on him... In that specific circumstance I don't even know why we don't just allow spawn socking and no window, just pop him on a known timer.

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[Korben]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Thanks for someone picking up on that, and damn me for typo!

[Clark]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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lol

[Bboboo]

Never.

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[fadetree]

It is impossible to stop the socking. The nature of the game requires it. Change the nature of the game if you want to stop the socking.

[Ando]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is impossible to stop the socking. The nature of the game requires it. Change the nature of the game if you want to stop the socking.

Maybe, but by increasing Variance they can make poopsocking a whole lot more painful which hopefully dissuades some people from doing it.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ando [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe, but by increasing Variance they can make poopsocking a whole lot more painful which hopefully dissuades some people from doing it.

Increasing variance just dissuades people from partaking in raiding period. Which isn't the goal.

No one wants to have to set up 12 different 8 hour shifts of tracking just to make sure you catch the NPC when it spawns.

Going to no respawns and just sim repops every week would be vastly superior method of removing poopsocking that doesn't rewuire you have people devote hours upon hours staring at pixels doing literally nothing other than hovering a finger over a batphone button.