130 Specialize Evocation No Mana Reduction?

[kaev]

I don't recall noting any difference with fizzles vs. specialization on live. I do recall that the spec bonus counted on every cast. Unfortuantely, I did not play any non-hybrid caster to 30+ until well past classic era so this post is completely useless. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Scrubosaur]

This is the way it was explained to me back in the day on my necromancer:

Specialization is a 10% mana reduction when it "procs". There is a 1% chance for it to "proc" per 10 points of specialization. This meant that at 60 there was a 23% chance that a spell in maxed specialization used 10% less mana. And then the other spells maxed at 50 which meant a 5% chance. It made enough of a difference to drop certain spells that weren't your specialization when soloing and if a druid said he spec'd evocation you knew he wouldn't be an efficient healer.

As far as fizzles vs specialization, I seem to remember early on that it made a huge difference. When Luclin came out they added some AA's that reduced the chance to fizzle which resulted in a nerf to specialization (and to spell/instruments skills in general). At that time I also played a bard so it was very noticeable that something had changed with skills due to all the "missed notes".

[Daldaen]

That sounds like an EQ wives tale. Just like J-Boots running slower and levitate in fear creating trains. It's just a matter of people not truly understanding game mechanics.

Specialization should check always. Log on live and check it with any spell. It will reduce mana on every single cast. Has done that ever since mana values were shown in the UI and it is extremely likely it did that before the mana value was shown.

[Scrubosaur]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That sounds like an EQ wives tale. Just like J-Boots running slower and levitate in fear creating trains. It's just a matter of people not truly understanding game mechanics.

Specialization should check always. Log on live and check it with any spell. It will reduce mana on every single cast. Has done that ever since mana values were shown in the UI and it is extremely likely it did that before the mana value was shown.

That's not how it works or this AA would not make any sense....


Spell Casting Mastery: (3 skill levels) - Each skill increases the caster's chance of successfully using his specialization skill for the spell he is casting. This works for all spell types. The result is a reduced chance of spell failure (fizzle) and a greater chance of a reduction of the mana cost for the spell. The increase in the caster's chance to successfully use his specialization is 5% for the first skill level, 15% for the second skill level and 30% for the third skill level. Hybrids can not gain this ability because they do not have the specialization skill.

This AA increases your CHANCE of specialization working. If it worked every time then what would be the point. But it also does help clarify that specialization is supposed to reduce the fizzle chance as well as mana usage.

[Daldaen]

EQClerics 2000

The effect of specialization on mana cost is a constant, and is applied to every spell casting.

For Alteration (specialization 200), each casting saved close to 10% (9.9%) on the cost of the spells.

For Abjuration (specialization 50), the mana cost on each spell was reduced roughly 1.4%.

I think it is time to ClassicQuest this... Cause this is a pretty big issue if it's not taking effect every cast. Any dev able to weigh in as to the functionality of it on this server currently?

[Daldaen]

Ironically, I had that very same discussion on the Mac server with the longtime members of the server. Basically... That AA was extremely badly worded.

Get on live and read the description of that AA:

Live Shorthand Descriptions

Basically those AA ranks reduces the mana cost of every single cast by 2-5-10% going from rank 1-2-3 respectively. Meaning with 200 spec and rank 3 AA you would preserve 20% mana EVERY cast.

More EQClerics 2002 this time since we are mentioning AAs:

Acording to ShowEQ it works every time...

As for the AA skill, it doesn't increase yor 'chance' of saving mana.

What it actually does is adds to your effective spec skills and therefore increases your mana savings. The increase in mana savings is aproximately half of the number shown in the AA descriptions.

I would suggest reading : http://pub23.ezboard.com/fgraffeswiz...picID=23.topic

[This message has been edited by Zyphyr (edited 04-17-2002).]

I'm pretty confident on this one.

[Scrubosaur]

Ya it does look like it is supposed to be a flat reduction in mana usage :

Effect on Mana Consumption

Specialization skills passively reduce the amount of mana that is consumed when casting spells from that school, according to the following formula:

1 + (Skill_Value / 20) = Percentage_Reduction

...where "Skill_Value" is the skill point number that the character has in the associated specialization skill, and "Percentage_Reduction" is the perentage of mana that will be preserved.

Thus, for a given spell school, a character gains 1% mana cost reduction just for having the Specialization skill at all, and 1% more for every 20 points of the skill.

[Ciroco]

This would be huge toward getting casters in the same realm as melees.

To Bugs!

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ciroco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This would be huge toward getting casters in the same realm as melees.

To Bugs!

Done