Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[Harrison]

So, recap:

Taken is clearing down to Naggy.

TR decides to fuck with them, for the sake of doing so, rather than let them have what they were there for BEFORE them.

Pathetic.

[Skope]

Leapfrogging is also against the rules, fyi. If you're clearing the FGs on the way to naggy's spawn and he's up and another guild walks right by you to get to him there's probably no clearer instance of leapfrogging. Vox's lair is different because you can sneak your way thru with lev so there's technically 2 ways right to her room but with nag's it's only one.

[Harrison]

Is TR really trying to justify being complete dickwads? I thought you guys had more integrity than that, but I guess I was wrong.

Taken was clearly on the way to Nagafen, and you, (not even in proper numbers to engage in the first place) showed up after them, and tried to leapfrog them just to be massive pricks?

Disgusting.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is TR really trying to justify being complete dickwads? I thought you guys had more integrity than that, but I guess I was wrong.

Taken was clearly on the way to Nagafen, and you, (not even in proper numbers to engage in the first place) showed up after them, and tried to leapfrog them just to be massive pricks?

Disgusting.

It's "competition", yo. Except we all thought they were talking about mobilization. They're competing to be the biggest pricks.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's "competition", yo. Except we all thought they were talking about mobilization. They're competing to be the biggest pricks.

not all of them are, they just have a habit of grandfathering their dicks into officer positions.

Either way it looks like the community is biting back and seems to have had enough. I think the point that's being put across is rather clear and goes to show that it's the attitudes that have to change before the rules can be truly discussed =P

RIGHT LOKE?!?! RIGHT?!?! or are you going to keep ignoring me? btw, when you decided to give up that draco loot, was it a bone razor and a necro staff? did a BCG drop? no?

If naggy isn't banishing properly i'd be willing to wager that yet again TR didn't report a known bug (tin foil hat), which for anyone who's been here a while shouldn't be that surprising. took 2-3 months before we were on 5 in posky before anyone even knew about the fact that the vanqs and repop mobs weren't working properly and it was nowhere to be found in the petition section (weird). This also wasn't the only posky bug that was exploited to death to advance on the islands. meanwhile both DA and IB were up there for that time and didn't say a word about these things. There's a staggering difference in the approach to the game between the top 2 guilds and the rest of the server, where those 2 guilds try to attain #1 at any cost (even stepping on toes, cheating, MQing, SEQing, duping, etc) and the others (though they have had cheaters, certainly) try to play the game for fun and don't look to come across as dicks to the rest of the community. It is kinda nice to see people are realizing it now, though. Long time coming really

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not all of them are, they just have a habit of grandfathering their dicks into officer positions.

not that i disagree with you, it's just hard to account for everyone's behavior when your guild is that big. of course the guild is that big because the rules *still* favor larger guilds (thanks for that, btw) and it nips them in the butt repeatedly. I think they can do quite a bit to change the way they approach the game though, as that's probably their, and TMO's, biggest issue at the moment.

[SupaflyIRL]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not that i disagree with you, it's just hard to account for everyone's behavior when your guild is that big. of course the guild is that big because the rules *still* favor larger guilds (thanks for that, btw) and it nips them in the butt repeatedly. I think they can do quite a bit to change the way they approach the game though, as that's probably their, and TMO's, biggest issue at the moment.

The phrase is "nip in the bud" which means stopping something before it starts, the phrase you are looking for is "bites them in the ass". You're welcome.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I don't wear a tinfoil hat, I just think coincidences should be coincidences. Not an every day occurrence, if it strikes me as odd there is usually a reason why. I make note of most of them and try and reason why but some things just strike you as being too perfect or too coincidental. Does it mean there is some grand conspiracy? Who knows? Apply this to 9-11. I'm not the one who started the conspiracy theories here, or was involved in any of them on this server to start I didn't even log in here until Jun 2010. But I like a good portion of others have played the game long enough know when it is just too perfect or convenient to be legitimate or possibly shady. You can't say 'coincidence' when it happens over and over and over, before long you realize there is a reason for it. So I guess I wear a tinfoil hat when I claim you guys are just fucking with other guilds or choosing targets you don't need just to screw with other guilds? There is a distinct difference between just wanting to kill shit and wanting to kill it to screw with someone else. But don't claim it is something new to screw with me this shit was going on for a long time here.

An example: When you are sitting at fire giants and someone comes up through the lava chute and sits across the lava watching you and all of a sudden ldcs come running up and that person has just logged out so they jump you. Coincidence they chose that moment to come up and sit there and log producing the same effect as someone aggroing a ldc and running up so pathing brings it through the stone spider room and up there? Is that a tin foil hat to conclude they trained you?

And I as many others here are tired of being shit on through 'legal' use of the server rules here. After enough time of constantly being sniped or trained or had mobs sniped I have had enough. I have unloaded on non-TR members as well but a few things here that strike me. I don't think Loke was intentionally trying to patronize or demean anyone with his post but I found the casual nature of the attitude upsetting. Some of you will know what I mean but what I expected was "I didn't mean anything condescending or patronizing learn2chill." Instead the response is "let's go fuck with Shaere". Or am I wearing a tin-foil hat and jumping to conclusions again?
I also can reasonably conclude that Lady Vox died by the hands of TR before Nagafen. I did see lvl 60 TR members there in soldungb to help with Nagafen, and I see that as normal to be expected. Someone wearing a tin-foil hate could hypothesize that perhaps TR already knew Vox hadn't banished because they had already killed her. Is that a reasonable assumption or wild speculation? If so that means someone knew that Nagafen most likely wasn't also going to banish which leads me to ask if it was it possible people that knew of the bug were in place with the intent to 'catch' us? That they knew of the bug and were set up to find or see something we were unaware of and use it out of context or misrepresent it in an effort to smear us or muddy the waters? Either to get us in trouble, to ensure they got the loot, or both so that the attention is not on the 'douchebaggery' that was occurring? Are you wearing the tin-foil hats now? Does Taken have someone in the guild who worked on that specific part of the patch and knew about the l33t hax? And in our brilliance we decided to go to hate, sky, and fear before that and save our l33t hax for when TR was there along with people looking for that bug? I also noted I didn't see pets being feared. Normally under level 52 I see people and pets being feared and walking down to the 4 spawn area feared but I didn't notice any of that this time.

You want to change perception change your actions. Because as I said before every chance you have to rise above you don't. You claim you like competition in mobilization yet when the competition beats you to Nagafen do you sit back and say good job? Or do you attempt to leapfrog in a deliberate attempt to grief? You admit to griefing and show you don 't care about competition or you would do as we do. We see VD in sky ready for Dojorn, we prep for the pull. I COULD pull but we allow VD the first attempt because they got their first. When we find out BDA/Div is in fear we offer to help, instead of roll in and snip the mob.

[PureLo]

i "love" all the generalizations being made about a guild hardly anyone really KNOWS about (saying things like ALL their members this and ALL their members that) let alone them beings guilds that these "competitive top guilds"(the one's doing shady garbage things) want/try to recruit from.

Pretty messed up circle admitting you want to do stupid stuff to other guilds, yet behind the scenes you talk to their members to join you so you can continue doing much of the same to other guilds. I don't know why anyone would want to leave and join people who admittedly do things to mess with their current guild.

Not to mention all the incorrect accusations/assumptions being made from random 3rd parties not directly involved making what actually happened be a mere spec compared to the picture that has been painted (blown up) about it now.

Thanks to all those who do exploit and whine to get your way though... should do wonders for your self esteem.

[Skope]

Yendor, he doesn't run that guild. I mean, technically he runs it, but he does the whole durison thing where they don't lead the raids and sit back and run things from afar. Xzerion isn't the problem, it's the lack of xzerion that's the problem.