Munich Mall Shooting -

[barrettdc1]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you can kill someone with a car, yes.. or with a 20 tons truck too, yes. But it's not the primary objective of a car, or a truck. The advantage you get from a car is far bigger than the danger of someone that might use it as a weapon. And that goes without saying that the use of a car is heavily reglemented: you have to get a license, you have to follow lots of road rules, speed limit, belt, maintenance of the car.. it's actually funny that there's more reglementation on acquiring a car than on getting a weapon in the us.

The only goal of a firearm is to kill, period. You can try to prettify by saying "defend myself" instead of kill, but that's exactly the same thing. What i find crazy is you all already accept limitations to that right: why can't you carry a weapon on a flight in the usa ? guess what: for safety. That said i'm sure i'm gonna find someone who thinks everyone would be safer if everyone would have guns in an airplane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're a fucking moron. That's all.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only goal of a firearm is to kill, period. You can try to prettify by saying "defend myself" instead of kill, but that's exactly the same thing

Not raised around guns, were you?

This is the kind of ignorance of firearms I was talking about. People who don't understand them sometimes like to think they do, and they draw conclusions based on ignorance... which doesn't turn out well.


Firearms are not purely designed to kill. Read any decent article or book about self-defense with firearms and you'll note that it is hammered on again and again that the objective is to stop the attacker, not to kill the attacker. Sometimes stopping them means they die, sometimes (often, really... the majority of self-defense shootings don't result in a death) they don't.

Self-defense is about protecting yourself. When the attacker stops, you're good.

If people carrying for self-defense wanted to kill as the primary objective, they would use FMJ bullets to punch two holes guaranteed per shot and the guy would bleed out before any medical assistance arrived. But they don't. They use JHP bullets that dump their energy more quickly and induce trauma quickly to bring about a rapid stop to the conflict... but that are actually less likely to kill the target.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What i find crazy is you all already accept limitations to that right: why can't you carry a weapon on a flight in the usa ? guess what: for safety. That said i'm sure i'm gonna find someone who thinks everyone would be safer if everyone would have guns in an airplane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is total BS here, man. If you want to try to have a meaningful discussion about it you can't say stuff like "well since a law exists that means every person in the country must like it" or "Tecmos doesn't think all guns should be banned therefore he must think everyone in the country should carry every day."

[Jorgam]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only goal of a firearm is to kill, period. You can try to prettify by saying "defend myself" instead of kill, but that's exactly the same thing.

So how do you feel about the term Pro-Choice vs Kill your unborn child?

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only goal of a firearm is to kill, period. You can try to prettify by saying "defend myself" instead of kill, but that's exactly the same thing.

Obviously not true: a gun is a substantial deterrent even without being used.

[Lojik]

I think the NRA releases numbers on supposedly how many crimes are [directly] averted due to gun ownership. While I think the number is total BS, I do think the fact that some people might have a gun in their home deters a significant amount of home invasion type crimes, probably a lot of other crime as well. Also, a lot of gun violence is accounted for by either suicide or gang/drug related activity, that is to say if you're not planning on killing yourself or involved in the illegal drug trade your odds of being shot are pretty low. The biggest problems are probably black on black gun crimes, and I believe most of these are with illegally obtained firearms. That's not to say that we don't have some work to do, however.

Also it's statistically more dangerous to have a pool on your property than a gun.

[NegaStoat]

As was previously mentioned, different locations in America generate vastly different statistics on shootings and gun related crimes, even when similar population totals are compared. I find this part of the conversation is glossed over far too much.

I live in Northern California, and our gun related crimes are comparable to Sweden, Denmark, and other European regions. The same can be said for other parts of the nation. I do NOT want my gun rights to be modified in a more restrictive manner because of what's going on in Detroit, New York, and Chicago. I'm just asking for fair representation for my interests with the issue, and that's not happening.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by NegaStoat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As was previously mentioned, different locations in America generate vastly different statistics on shootings and gun related crimes, even when similar population totals are compared. I find this part of the conversation is glossed over far too much.

I live in Northern California, and our gun related crimes are comparable to Sweden, Denmark, and other European regions. The same can be said for other parts of the nation. I do NOT want my gun rights to be modified in a more restrictive manner because of what's going on in Detroit, New York, and Chicago. I'm just asking for fair representation for my interests with the issue, and that's not happening.

Yep.

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

suicide or gang/drug related activity

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Also it's statistically more dangerous to have a pool on your property than a gun.

About 1/3 of US gun homicides are suicides. Also related, only like 600-700 gun deaths per year in the US are accidental... about the same number of deaths due to structure fires set by cigarettes. But no one goes around campaigning for bans on pools (at all) or cigarettes (with equal fervor to the anti-gun people), even though guns almost undoubtedly serve greater good in society than smoking or pools in your back yard do.

[big_ole_jpn]

ive got guns, bitches, stockpile of antibiotics and a few TB of classical recordings and porn that should survive nuclear EMP in a faraday cage

do i get to sit at the dinner table?

[Domo]

I think ya watching to much CNN, Fox, Liveleak etc. over the day [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Turn off the bullshit from time to time.