Awakened 30 day

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly, I couldn't give a rats arse about the 30 day ban or the petitionquest. I think you will find most in CSG thinks that. But apparently its the only language you guys are willing to listen to. For years I have tried to talk to A/A leadership about allowing more space for casual guilds on P99, and everytime I have been told "Nope". And everytime we ask you guys to place nice when we are in the zone, you have told us "learn to petition". Now we have petitiond, and its also a problem? I honestly don't really know what you want anymore, apart from being able to rotate all the contat with Aftermath without casual scum ruining the parada (shame that narrowly got voted down yeah?).

All we ask for is to be able to kill a cpl of mobs per week without having to deal with trains and other shithattery - the only way we seem to be able to get that, is via petitionquest. That is your choice, not ours.

No it is your choice to add a 'grieveance' petition after the rules were properly followed. The theme of my fellow AW posters in this thread is simple: What more should we have done? I have yet to really see an answer because it seems the moment this accident ( that has been apologized for by OPmeter) occurred we had no way to correct it.

Your response here is very tellsing, basically its your 'just desserts' for years of 'bad things' but how in the world is that suppose to be viable for guilds to correct mistakes and move forward for the better. It seems grudges are the main theme in this raid scene and while everyone wants to say the right thing to each other, all we really do is scan hours of Everquest fraps footage looking for any disturbances in the matrix.

There is no justice being served here, what rule was broken that had no correct follow up action to warrant a month off? All the answers to this question involve previous accepted norms when it comes to interactions between A/A and any other guild. We are not bad guys, we simply raid more than anyone else. When you raid more, more shit tends to happen bc Everquest happens. P99 will forever be remembered as Petition99, which is pretty sad tbh.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it is your choice to add a 'grieveance' petition after the rules were properly followed. The theme of my fellow AW posters in this thread is simple: What more should we have done? I have yet to really see an answer because it seems the moment this accident ( that has been apologized for by OPmeter) occurred we had no way to correct it.

Your response here is very tellsing, basically its your 'just desserts' for years of 'bad things' but how in the world is that suppose to be viable for guilds to correct mistakes and move forward for the better. It seems grudges are the main theme in this raid scene and while everyone wants to say the right thing to each other, all we really do is scan hours of Everquest fraps footage looking for any disturbances in the matrix.

There is no justice being served here, what rule was broken that had no correct follow up action to warrant a month off? All the answers to this question involve previous accepted norms when it comes to interactions between A/A and any other guild. We are not bad guys, we simply raid more than anyone else. When you raid more, more shit tends to happen bc Everquest happens. P99 will forever be remembered as Petition99, which is pretty sad tbh.

I told you - when you fuck up, leave the zone. Go raid somewhere else. You have also in the past (You being A/A) tried with "we concede Trakanon for 30 minutes" and such bullshit. Basically, if you screw other peopel over and waste their time, leave the zone until the raid mobs are down.

I am not asking for the world, I am just asking you to concede that P99 should have room for people that don't enjoy playing the fast shoot fast trigger game you do - instead of forcing us to go down this route (and you have, if not personally, I can't even begin to count all the times A/A officers have told me "if its a problem, file a petition", and now that we are doing that, its ALSO a problem) - what are we supposed to do?

[Vorkon]

Its just a difference of cultures, A/A pretty much have to deal with each other on a raid to raid basis, so when either of them screw up, they usually get into tells and work out some sort of agreement so it doesn't become a petition issue. While I wouldn't say the relationship is great, there is communication between them to work things out and come to some sort of compromise.

Usually like a "we screwed this up so you can have the next 2-4 of x_raidtarget uncontested by us".

Basically 2 nuclear powered entities with a direct phone line to each other that doesn't require the outside powers to mediate (for the most part, sometimes agreements cant be worked and the petitionquest happens). Now you have another guild(s) added to the equation that doesn't have the same communication styles or speed dial to the other guilds to work things out and it immediately goes to petition quest. When AW pulled the 'AW concedes" on Fesh, After Eashan was zooted out, there should have been a concerted effort by leadership from both AW/CSG to work out some sort of additional concession agreement instead of petitioning.

Personally I think that guild suspensions should max out at 20 days, suspend the individual members who caused the issue/train on an incrementally increasing days off (20/40/60days,etc) and try to limit the power of the pull teams.

As it stands right now, With AW sitting at a 30day, AM will likely eat a 30 day on their next infraction, there is no real reason for the non A/A guilds to try and work things out.

[Skew]

Petition should all be made on the raid forum in a public manner so everyone can see whenever a petition is made and for what.

Also , CSG have been given so many bones its funny listening to Culkasi complain about not getting room for the little guy. You were literally just handed a free Eashan and then petitioned 1 of the guilds that messaged you to come kill it. You think youre going to get a better response from A/A leaders now? Shady shit bro.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Lanuven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wants free mobs. A/A tells them No.
Petitions already free mob for more mobs.

Sounds about right.

I don't think CSG (now being Europa and Omni) will get much out of this 30 day ban, and I am okay with that - I also think 30 day is a bit harsh really. But I have learned long ago that dialogue with A/A leadership leads to nothing, so if they can't even leave us alone to kill a mob they have already conceded because of breaking the rules, then yeah, ban is in order. The reason for 30 days? I imagnie uncountable number of bans in the past cpl of years, things add up - stop getting in situations where bans are possible?

We never ask for any guild to be banned, we always ask to be left alone when we once in a while target a mob. This was one of those times, and this time we got rolled over by a guild who doesn't care, because they had to kill a mob they also don't really care for after having killed hundreds of times, because of some desire to "win" over another guild who has also killed it hundreds of times.....that was a 90 minute waste of 50-60 peoples time - the number of man hours there is staggering.

Call them wellfare pixels, call it an investment, call it whatever you want - let the casaul guilds on P99 see some content without having to play like you do, and I am sure you will only get each other banned going forward.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I told you - when you fuck up, leave the zone. Go raid somewhere else. You have also in the past (You being A/A) tried with "we concede Trakanon for 30 minutes" and such bullshit. Basically, if you screw other peopel over and waste their time, leave the zone until the raid mobs are down.

I am not asking for the world, I am just asking you to concede that P99 should have room for people that don't enjoy playing the fast shoot fast trigger game you do - instead of forcing us to go down this route (and you have, if not personally, I can't even begin to count all the times A/A officers have told me "if its a problem, file a petition", and now that we are doing that, its ALSO a problem) - what are we supposed to do?

Nothing here explains why you didnt come to us when you know the GMs love suspending A/A and typically we offer whatever is needed to not have petitions put in when we fuck up. This is a large slap in the face to my entire community and we have you and CSG to thank. Cannot believe I have wasted time trying to deal with you guys in the past, total sucker for thinking it would create an open line of communication for the future for when stuff like this arises. Not a single message was sent to me that this was something CSG was seeking, total joke of a justice system where the guilty parties do not even know they are being thrown in jail until they wake up behind bars.

[Spyder73]

When two guilds have made a conscious decisions that they are going to go after every single raid mob, every single cycle, every single week, what would you recommend the staff do to persuade you to let some others enjoy raid content and stop gearing your 4th alt? What others guilds outside of A/A raid every single raid monsters every single week? Answer - None. Response - Sirken discouraging farming content for the sake of farming content

[Culkasi]

Also, "conceding" doesn't work in a 3+ guild environment. A/A can just concede the next 2-4 of whatever when they screw up because the other guild will accept that with 99.9% certainty they will be killing said mob on the next 2-4 cycles. If Awakened concedes Feshlak, what the fuck does that do for CSG? Tell me the odds of CSG killing even one of the next 2-4 Feshlaks that Aftermath know Awakened has conceded.
No, thats right, I thought so.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We never ask for any guild to be banned

Did you think your petition would cause Sirken to throw Awakened an ice cream party?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Sonderbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep the incremental increase in ban time.

Fix the obvious bottleneck problem.

It basically becomes a rotation once every guild but one is banned at any point in time!