List Integrity

[Lojik]

Here's a thought: If someone is ahead of you on list and you don't want to help kill it, why not just GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. If he's sitting there by himself just clicking afk checks he's wasting his own time. If you really really just need the manastone or you'll start having convulsions if you don't have (another?) one in a week or less, then help him kill it. Like seriously, is it a manastone or a crack rock? Based on the threads on this I'm assuming it's some form of the latter.

[Mirakk82]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a thought: If someone is ahead of you on list and you don't want to help kill it, why not just GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. If he's sitting there by himself just clicking afk checks he's wasting his own time. If you really really just need the manastone or you'll start having convulsions if you don't have (another?) one in a week or less, then help him kill it.

/thread

[Chocolope]

The funniest part of this to me, personally, is that it hasn't been two days since lituviel/masterize was hard training people in HHK, like straight FD Tyrana and 3 guards right ontop of them. He and his premade then proceeded to pull mobs that others had been camping for hours. Now he wants to talk about camp / list integrity? hahaha
This guy is a guy.

[Haynar]

You can argue this either way. The person at #1 cant kill mob. So should they lose their spot? Or are those that wont help, causing a zone disruption?

I would expect some tweaks are made to the /list functionality. The whole /list idea, is meant to not require staff to babysit these specific rare item spawns. And getting the rare item will still require putting in the time.

There is no /claim. Here is your new manastone. Grats me!

The intent is to make these camps manageable, and prevent from becoming non-stop shitshows.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or are those that wont help, causing a zone disruption?

I don't get how it is a zone disruption. For 2 hours it was just me and him. If I had logged off he'd be in the same scenario.

I honestly don't think he has broken P99 Rules. I just find it offensive I'm obligated to farm a manastone for a stranger. I'm happy to wait in line, he just isn't able to move the line forward. He couldn't solo it or get a group to come kill it for him in that time. There should be some time limit to engage appropriate to the encounter.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't get how it is a zone disruption. For 2 hours it was just me and him. If I had logged off he'd be in the same scenario.

I honestly don't think he has broken P99 Rules. I just find it offensive I'm obligated to farm a manastone for a stranger. I'm happy to wait in line, he just isn't able to move the line forward. He couldn't solo it or get a group to come kill it for him in that time. There should be some time limit to engage appropriate to the encounter.

Lol

[korzax]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't get how it is a zone disruption. For 2 hours it was just me and him. If I had logged off he'd be in the same scenario.

I honestly don't think he has broken P99 Rules. I just find it offensive I'm obligated to farm a manastone for a stranger. I'm happy to wait in line, he just isn't able to move the line forward. He couldn't solo it or get a group to come kill it for him in that time. There should be some time limit to engage appropriate to the encounter.

Keep going, that hole you are digging is mighty fine.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can argue this either way. The person at #1 cant kill mob. So should they lose their spot? Or are those that wont help, causing a zone disruption?

I would expect some tweaks are made to the /list functionality. The whole /list idea, is meant to not require staff to babysit these specific rare item spawns. And getting the rare item will still require putting in the time.

There is no /claim. Here is your new manastone. Grats me!

The intent is to make these camps manageable, and prevent from becoming non-stop shitshows.

The problem is people will create shitstorms out of nothing to change rules/features to benefit themselves, which seems to be the case here. I don't think every shitstorm that occurs needs to result in rule/feature changes. I'd wager the vast majority of the population on this server, had they been in Grakken/Masterizes situation would have grouped up with Fate right away and started chuggin on those PH's, or just logged off cause they didn't want to wait (probably) 24+ hours for a chance at a stone. Now, if you put the question in some sort of poll "should people be required to help kill ph/mob for #1 on list if they want to move up" then that number would probably drop closer to 50%. Good thing most people don't "just" do what's required of them and nothing less, for the most part.

[Crovax]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can argue this either way. The person at #1 cant kill mob. So should they lose their spot? Or are those that wont help, causing a zone disruption?

I would expect some tweaks are made to the /list functionality. The whole /list idea, is meant to not require staff to babysit these specific rare item spawns. And getting the rare item will still require putting in the time.

There is no /claim. Here is your new manastone. Grats me!

The intent is to make these camps manageable, and prevent from becoming non-stop shitshows.

To be fair I think the system worked. They tried to push me out of a spot. But because of the /list they couldn't. The moment others showed up things went smoothly back on track without a need of a guide there.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair I think the system worked. They tried to push me out of a spot. But because of the /list they couldn't. The moment others showed up things went smoothly back on track without a need of a guide there.

I never tried to push you out of your spot. I just don't want to earn it for you. I want you to earn it. I hope you get your MS. I just take issue of it being borne off other's sweat and not your own.

I think this showcases why some tweaks need to be made. Level 40 -44 to list here, or 35 if in a group.