An effort to make the pvp server more fun for everybody

[Tassador]

Originally Posted by Jib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

variance sounds like a better idea, we should cater to everybody, thats what variance does

Let's just let one guild make a monopoly and then state that people don't come here because rnf is posted in general.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Karafa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kergan, why are you being so blatantly dense. I actually really admire your ability to refute each point though, something most of us can't do without being objective.

I'm not trying to be dense it just happens on its own. And thanks for your admiration.

Originally Posted by Karafa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree entirely with your stance though. You understand that realistically there will be multiple mobs in window at one time? You understand that we could potentially kill your tracker in hate and grab inny without you knowing? You understand that often times on blue mobs have slipped through trackers that got bored, busy, or fell asleep?

Ok, let's just play this scenario out.

Innoruuk spawns somewhere between 1PM and 5PM let's say. We begin seriously tracking him on high alert at 1PM. At 2PM you kill our track bot. At 2:01 Innoruuk spawns. This is literally the best case scenario for you.

Now, I'm sure you realize pretty much any zone is reachable in under 5 minutes in EQ. Hate happens to be one reachable in about 30 seconds from anywhere. Do you think you'll have time to organize a raid force strong enough to kill Innoruuk, organize port groups and get up there, clear the zone and kill Innoruuk before we know what happened? I mean, the second our port bot is PK'd, and assuming we don't have about 15 different throwaway alts parked in different spots within the zone, do you think we're just gonna say...oh well, guess we give up? Come on man.

The reality is even at our slowest point of the day we have enough on to stop any raid from happening in any zone. All we'd have to do even if you pulled things off perfectly is to delay you until the 50 man zerg logs in due to the bonus DKP we're awarding for contested dragons, swarm over your raid force like locusts and kill the raid target.

Originally Posted by Karafa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep saying we don't have the core to batphone at all hours of the day, I also disagree. We constantly have more people online than Nihilum throughout the last 3 weeks.

It's possible. But I've heard this argument before and it's just not accurate. We have a ton of people playing alts or doing other things, plus a lot of people who don't have their tag up outside of raids. We have 20+ in TS and active at just about any given moment when we're not raiding, and double/triple that when we are (which is pretty much every night). We're a huge fucking guild dude, with a lot of neckbeards.

Originally Posted by Karafa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A guild of mostly mid 50s cannot contest a guild with 30 best in slot. You're waiting on repop day ready to go, ready to slay mobs some of my guilders have never even touched before. We aren't willing to suicide into a guild that has mobs stagnated to benefit them on repop day. I promise you if trak randomly pops at 3 am though that 25 of us will be there in hopes that nizzers rmt yacht hit an iceberg and sank.

If you guys can get 25 level 60s on at 3AM randomly I'd be really impressed. Maybe you guys will have what it takes to get some targets. You'd be the first guild to come along not named Nihilum with that ability. Keep in mind we'd probably have 30, better geared. Gotta stay 1 step ahead nameen?

Originally Posted by Karafa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're so confident in nihilums ability to beat us with variance then why not prove me wrong and show us.

Inb4 iPhone spell check sucks.

Another "point" that is brought up a lot. It's really simple - because it shits up the whole raid scene. Poopsocking is the absolute worst EQ can offer and you want to make it so it is a way of life. There are far better solutions then implementing variance, some of them already in place.

And look, I understand why you guys hate the system. It's not equitable. If we added up all the time spent in game between your guild and our guild, and we're at 70% of it and you're at 30%, you want the loot split in a similar fashion. It's just not the way the game works.

We've been beaten before, several times. Azrael only a few months ago had every raid target for almost 2 months straight raiding with a force just as big as the one we have now. Kringe lead a crew that took many raid targets over a 2+ week timespan. The difference is Nihilum is the only guild that has been willing to put in the effort over a long span of time. Other guilds burn out. That doesn't mean the system is broken, because what is driving this system of keeping us on top is the playerbase. If we stopped getting applicants our size would get smaller and smaller until we couldn't overpower people. But yet, people keep apping. The reason is almost universally the same: they want to join the top guild.

I just wish people wouldn't latch on to this variance idea. I'm all for things that make the server better and believe it or not, I'm all for ideas that get raid targets to up and coming guilds. I supported simulated repops 110% from the beginning, and that has proven to be successful getting Hokuten, RD, Azrael, etc raid mobs. What you're asking for with variance is to severely punish the majority so the minority can have a shot. I don't even disagree with you fighting for it, what do you have to lose? Nothing.

[steve roberts]

Would not read even if shorter, this player knows nothing except /assist and easy mode.

[Kergan]

I don't even use assist, shows what you know.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't even use assist, shows what you know.

chortled

[Barladore]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Server would be a lot more fun if people who are playing on it wanted it to be a lot more fun. There's nothing wrong with the server, it's the neckbeards who have attracted each other who make up 90% of the playtime on the server are all in the same guild, with a pop around 200 max that shit is broken.

If you wanted fun everyone would break the fuck up and go 20 man max guilds and have a brawl, wtb some type of qeynos vs freeport server that wipes every 6 months with the same stable code as red99, please.

Qft

[Hamburgalur]

Originally Posted by Barladore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Qft

Yeah... Fuck that.

[mtb tripper]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

chortled

[lite]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Server would be a lot more fun if people who are playing on it wanted it to be a lot more fun. There's nothing wrong with the server, it's the neckbeards who have attracted each other who make up 90% of the playtime on the server are all in the same guild, with a pop around 200 max that shit is broken.

If you wanted fun everyone would break the fuck up and go 20 man max guilds and have a brawl, wtb some type of qeynos vs freeport server that wipes every 6 months with the same stable code as red99, please.

At that point you are fighting against the easy mode seeking aspect of human nature. What you mentioned is nothing more than wishful thinking. Pussymode is not something that can be alleviated or that goes away, thus there is something fundamentally wrong with the server.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thus there is something fundamentally wrong with EverQuest so I should go play a different game.

FTFY