Raid Scene 12/20 - 01/02

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Elements [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does this work for dragons in VP where TMO and FE are likely the only ones that can kill them like Hoshkar? Does it just stay up indefinitely?

From the looks of it vp is ffa.


However those dragons have 32k hps. A guild can zerg em if they build up enough keys/dps. It wouldn't take a ton of ttime to build up....honestly.

Vp hit squads have killed dragons with 18ish toons.

[finalgrunt]

Any new system to be labelled better should meet the following requirements:

1°) GM intervention:
- Ideally the new system shouldn't require any intervention / monitoring from the staff.
- If the staff agrees, there could be enforcement of globally accepted rules made by players. In other words, if everybody agrees to a sensible system, and one group of players keeps breaking them, maybe the GMs could step in to punish the trouble makers. However, for this to work, the new system must make sense for almost everybody.

2°) Target distribution:
If the new system must be better, than it should give more opportunities for all guilds to get attempts at targets. The distribution spectrum is quite wide and goes from absolute rotation, where any guild would be given the same opportunities, to the old system, where 1 guild can take all targets. Since the old system was deemed unwanted by Rogean, and considering how players had different experiences during Classic era about competition, an in between solution will have to be found.
The new system should ensure that new raid forces should be able to enter the competition in one way or another.

3°) Undesired competition concepts:
It seems to me that the most important thing is for the guild leaders to gather and decide what aspects of the raiding scene should be kept / discarded / monitored. Examples are numerous:
- Training in VP
- Poopsocking
- FTE snipes
and so on.

4°) Engagement and raid interference:
Like the previous topic, this is also something that should be intensively discussed for the new system. What defines a raid force, an engagement, and raid interference. That's if the new system keeps races as a core mechanism.

[radditsu]

I personally feel that a rotation is not the best course of action and something similar to baramur is a way to go.

In that way people who like to race CAN race to mobs. For some the hunt is the thrill.

That being said a consensus on a rotation would be a great thing to see.

Im a perfect world vox and naggy should be open raids put on for newbies 48-52 range. supported by core raid guilds...so that your 52 alts do not waste. Open rolls etc etc.

The economy is flooded with everything besides rez sticks and bladestoppers. It won't hurt any guild in the gear dept.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally feel that a rotation is not the best course of action and something similar to baramur is a way to go.

In that way people who like to race CAN race to mobs. For some the hunt is the thrill.

That being said a consensus on a rotation would be a great thing to see.

Im a perfect world vox and naggy should be open raids put on for newbies 48-52 range. supported by core raid guilds...so that your 52 alts do not waste. Open rolls etc etc.

The economy is flooded with everything besides rez sticks and bladestoppers. It won't hurt any guild in the gear dept.

Open Naggy and Vox raids would be a lot of fun in my opinion. Sirken can live stream 200 people LD. And I'm not saying this to be meant in a bad way. Would make for frequent and fun events the server could get behind since GM events can be sparse.

[olderj]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Open Naggy and Vox raids would be a lot of fun in my opinion. Sirken can live stream 200 people LD. And I'm not saying this to be meant in a bad way. Would make for frequent and fun events the server could get behind since GM events can be sparse.

I agree this would be fun. A good suggestion for Vox and Naggy.

[Fael]

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[Erasong]

there may be better options. some folks might be predicting doom and gloom. you all might be carebears.

what matters is you guys are TRYING to make this server a better place and by proxy extending the life and playability for most.

[radditsu]

Imo:

first in force /rotate ct and inny due to the issues involved in the zones. Tons of trains and can cause guild issues.


Vp : ffa

Trak: leave every 3rd ish spawn up to allow other guilds to get keys to compete in vp.

Naggy vox: open raid cluster funks for fun!

Open world dragons and vs: either rotated or trak rules.


Leave fte shouts in place to prevent accidents between quality raiders.

[fastboy21]

As someone who has intentionally stayed out of the high end raid game on this server I would point out two things:

1. The details of the agreement aren't whats important to me from the outside looking in. What is significant is that the raiding population on the server is willing to cooperate with one another.

2. That the spirit of cooperation we are seeing on the server right now only came into existence when TMO was removed from the system.

TMO (the organization and its policies---not its members) is not a friend of this server. They hurt the community more than they enhance it. Even folks who don't ever want to raid on p99 (like me) stand to benefit from raid guilds cooperating.

[Erasong]

server since the suspension.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBrLHMCTDAA