Name & Shame - Pamila - Seal Team - Green

[Zeboim]

What absolute twaddle. If you join a group, it's not your responsibility to specifically demand to know how the loot rights are going to be in the group. It's assumed to be rolls unless stated otherwise. Nobody assumes otherwise except thieves.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Zeboim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's not your responsibility to specifically demand to know how the loot rights are

Wrong.

[Zeboim]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong.

According to what, the most granular, bullshit ruleslawyering you can come up with? No groups in this game actually operate like this.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Zeboim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

According to what, the most granular, bullshit ruleslawyering you can come up with? No groups in this game actually operate like this.

And most people generally will act in a matter that the rules don't even need to be consulted. That doesn't mean the rules don't exist. And ya, it is rules lawyering. That's p99 baby. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong.

The standard loot system is NBG. It's incumbent upon the player who wants a different system to specify that. Otherwise it's assumed that people will be doing NBG rolls. Pamila could have said that he was taking dibs on the first belt and if OP didn't like it then he didn't have to join the group. Pamila forgot to say anything (or forgot the belt dropped at all) and then when the belt dropped decided to make up some retroactive loot rules because he realized something dropped that he wanted.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The standard loot system is NBG. It's incumbent upon the player who wants a different system to specify that. Otherwise it's assumed that people will be doing NBG rolls..

Did I miss some contextual post prior to this or what.

The standard loot system is assuredly not NBG, its greed rolls. If an item drops, everyone rolls whether they can use it or not.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did I miss some contextual post prior to this or what.

The standard loot system is assuredly not NBG, its greed rolls. If an item drops, everyone rolls whether they can use it or not.

You're right that people are finally getting it and i'm seeing a trend where everyone rolls on tradeable items, which is the most fair system and how it should be.

But that terminology is backwards because FR (Free roll / everyone rolls) is actually NBG. Greed is when you don't let anyone else roll because only you can equip it while in reality everyone can use.

I'm still kinda mad that I passed on a braided cinch cord (500p item that I could also use on an alt) in a partial guild group because someone invoked "NBG" and I didn't stand up for what was right because I didn't want to deal with the ignorant backlash.

And that doesn't mean i'm never generous. I've given a Ghoulbane away before, but I still like to have a chance at getting loot I deserve to roll on.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did I miss some contextual post prior to this or what.

The standard loot system is assuredly not NBG, its greed rolls. If an item drops, everyone rolls whether they can use it or not.

Either way, the point is the same. Whether it's greed or NBG rolls, the point is that you roll on it unless you agree to another system beforehand. Pamila did not specify another system.

As an aside, I haven't been in any group that doesn't by default operate by NBG within the past year, but either way as I mentioned above the point in this scenario is the same regardless.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The standard loot system is NBG.

Do you even play P99? i haven't even seen a NBG pickup group in close to year on blue or green.

[battins]

Originally Posted by Zeboim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What absolute twaddle. If you join a group, it's not your responsibility to specifically demand to know how the loot rights are going to be in the group. It's assumed to be rolls unless stated otherwise. Nobody assumes otherwise except thieves.

I've only seen people greed roll if no group member wants the item for their main or one of their alts. If it is contested everyone that wants it rolls. Pretty simple stuff, never had any issues!