Daliant admits to RMT, will GMs even ban someone who openly admits it?

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a very simple solution to all this. Complete and total wipe of the player database. Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. The we can masturbate wit the tears of the Asperger's victims whose virtual lives have been so unjustly destroyed.

I find any naysayers to the idea of a server wipe to be very short sighted.

For all intents and purposes, if the admins are able to reintroduce Classic (minus Kunark) content, and then patch Kunark when deemed appropriate - the server ought to be wiped considering all the bologna that has gone on for years.

Out of let's say 500 active players, I imagine 50 players would not return due to losing their current character.

That said, I cannot foresee the constant population dipping below 1000 until Kunark again becomes stagnant in a year and a half.

I obviously no longer have a dog in the race, but I'm interested why folks (who clearly play here out of love for classic EQ) would oppose a total wipe/revert to Classic with timelocked expansions (Kunark/Velious)?

Isn't killing giant rats in Qeynos Sewers to hit level 5 more fun than camping Fungi King for weeks to buy BiS gear, for which you have absolutely no need?

[Alkorin]

Oh, great, another "wipe it clean" chant.

Wiping the server won't stop what's going on in this very thread. It'll just start again from net new. Why piss off your entire collective playerbase when you aren't going to effect any change anyway? Sellers will level up, make plat/farm items, and start selling again as soon as they're able. Buyers will continue to buy when there is something to spend cash on that they want.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Alkorin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why piss off your entire collective playerbase when you aren't going to effect any change anyway? Sellers will level up, make plat/farm items, and start selling again as soon as they're able. Buyers will continue to buy when there is something to spend cash on that they want.

This is false through and through.

If the server were wiped RIGHT NOW, there would be quadrupple the population on line when the server restarts than there is currently.

Also, tracking RMT transactions from a zero'd server would be impossibly easy.

You know, I really just hate the idea of P99 going stagnant. This server ought to be treated like the marvel it is. THis is the only place left where you can play Classic EQ. TMO did a great job emerging as top dog, IB did a great job competing for years, DA too.

There isn't enough parody to sustain a happy population anymore.

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think most of the reasoned comments here are focusing on the idea that these problems are individual violations and can be exceptionally difficult to police.

A quick use of common sense, history, or statistics will clearly cause you to realize that every guild is going to have individuals that will break these rules. From Daliant & Durison in TMO, to Kitai and Botnet in VD, and a number of IB members, every major guild will experience it within its ranks at some point or another.

It seems reasonable to only hold a guild accountable when it refuses to take action against any outed or reasonably suspected member. As this thread and its attendant sub-threads have clearly shown, accusers, defenders, trolls, and opportunists are taking every possible chance to cloud the waters. This is only making it more difficult.

I submit that if many of the posters here wanted to improve the server by the elimination of RMT, they'd take their concerns and proof to both the GM's and all the officers of the guild in question first. Instead, we immediately see a strict display of opportunism to grind an axe. Public outing can be effective, but let's not hide behind the shield of P99 Patriotism when all you want to do is effectively call someone an E-Faggot.

I believe that it is completely disingenuous to think that any guild that wishes to continue in its existence will openly or subtly support rules violations as a matter or policy. Just as IB and VD members had a sell off, I'm sure you'd see a sell off from a number of TMO members if TMO disbanded. Point is, there is nothing that an organization can ultimately do to prevent this. It can be discouraged by a rationally acting self-preserving guild, but not prevented wholesale.

Do not mistake me, public outing is a tool that can work well. I personally have a very strong expectation that my guild's leadership will respond to this situation and remove anyone found to have seriously violated the server rules.

I suspect that the GM's have been reluctant to deal with rules violations because many people just want to use the staff as a cudgel for personal reasons and not out of any sense of altruism or correctness.

You talk about guilds being accountable for policing the actions of their players.....Every confirmed RMT sold account has been bought up by one guild and are all still tagged by the same guild.

As far as GMs being reluctant to deal with rules violations, they pick and chose what they go after. Lead GM warps to blackburrow to ban newbs exploiting pathing, but when something huge hits the fan it's time for vacation or the excuse of not having authorization/permissions to deal with it. Short answer: corruption.

[fadetree]

There isn't enough parody to sustain a happy population anymore

I think there's plenty of parody.

[Egil]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, tracking RMT transactions from a zero'd server would be impossibly easy.

I don't see how this can ever be the case. How do you differentiate between a RMT and a transaction between RL friends?

Friend levels up and wants to encourage another friend to keep playing or just wants to be nice. He gives a buddy an FBSS. How is that impossibly easy to decipher versus a RMT purchase of an FBSS?

[godbox]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That said, I cannot foresee the constant population dipping below 1000 until Kunark again becomes stagnant in a year and a half.

I obviously no longer have a dog in the race, but I'm interested why folks (who clearly play here out of love for classic EQ) would oppose a total wipe/revert to Classic with timelocked expansions (Kunark/Velious)?

Isn't killing giant rats in Qeynos Sewers to hit level 5 more fun than camping Fungi King for weeks to buy BiS gear, for which you have absolutely no need?

this is why your text walls are not worth reading =(

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Egil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see how this can ever be the case. How do you differentiate between a RMT and a transaction between RL friends?

Friend levels up and wants to encourage another friend to keep playing or just wants to be nice. He gives a buddy an FBSS. How is that impossibly easy to decipher versus a RMT purchase of an FBSS?

From a zero'd server, no one is nice enough to "give" their friend an FBSS.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think there's plenty of parody.

Where's the parody? TMO has taken to gifting PUG raids a dragon a week.

What a fun time.

Clearly, I'm speaking for myself at this point considering the last few replies. I can't help but be surprised. I mean, the idea that folks wouldn't prefer to ditch their mains (who at this point serve only as farm bots for everyone's army of alts) for a fresh start under what could be a redefined set of rules (ie no poopsocking etc) is strange to me.

I wonder if a lot of you people were even around to enjoy the server when it was worth playing on.

The funniest thing to me, and no offense meant at all, but to anyone opposing a wipe - Despite some griping and bitching, the server population would increase (and maintain steady high numbers for a very very long time) and YOU would play and love every minute of it.

You cannot say you wouldn't play and enjoy yourself. I fully understand if the top end geared folks, or folks close to finishing their epic, or even those who are in their 30's and 40's and not dealing with this high end drama don't agree. The fact of the matter is, you'd still play.

Personally, I'd probably start a character and never join a guild nor ever identify that the person behind the character is me. I just love EverQuest, and again my juxtaposition on this idea of a wipe stems from wanting to see P99 continue to succeed.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You talk about guilds being accountable for policing the actions of their players.....Every confirmed RMT sold account has been bought up by one guild and are all still tagged by the same guild.

As far as GMs being reluctant to deal with rules violations, they pick and chose what they go after. Lead GM warps to blackburrow to ban newbs exploiting pathing, but when something huge hits the fan it's time for vacation or the excuse of not having authorization/permissions to deal with it. Short answer: corruption.

Name some names, you obviously have some in mind.