Raid Petitions / GM CS

[Szeth]

Originally Posted by Silentone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We need server repops, we need the FTE shout to be put in...hell if you can lock a target to a guild tag, do it.

For a varied amount of max time per mob? Or is FTE on world dragons now an invitation to kite for as long as needed?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Szeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a varied amount of max time per mob? Or is FTE on world dragons now an invitation to kite for as long as needed?

who cares, i want targets to say my name.

[tekniq]

cant we just make raid targets like 10x harder? i think it would make this much more fun.

[Silentone]

Originally Posted by Szeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a varied amount of max time per mob? Or is FTE on world dragons now an invitation to kite for as long as needed?

By saying put the FTE shout in, I wasnt implying to throw out current rules and considerations.

[Szeth]

Was referring to locking mobs to a guild, can't look at your own post so narrowly.

[Xatava]

Originally Posted by Silentone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hell if you can lock a target to a guild tag, do it.

no thanks. if people want to play world of warcraft they can go play world of warcraft

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The simple fact of the matter is that there are really only 3 individuals who are empowered to make raid decisions. Nilbog, Rogean and myself.

I can definitely sympathize and understand your frustrations. However, do please realize that all 3 of us have real lives and stuff happens in those real lives.

This, and the resulting commentary, are an awesome (not in a good way) microcosm of the actual problem that led to this OP and what you know i'm ready to unload.

What happenned here? One person posted a legitimate problem. Immediately, people who are on the other side of the most recent issue that highlighted the problem (stealin, etc) jumped in and tried to muddy the waters / confuse the actual problem. IB folks responded taking the bait and going off the point. Then people who weren't even involved gave their fourty two cents. Things devolved rapidly, and the rules (of the forum in this case) were slowly then blatanly violated as things got worse. Then, 3 days later, someone with authority chimed in and tried to address the real issue, way too late.

It should be a very familiar pattern. It's not a slam on TMO, or IB, or VD, or BDA, or the dozen people who have never even raided here who think they have a valid opinion, it's just the very predictable cycle of events that happens on the server on an almost daily basis.

There are 3 people empowered to address issues, and 1 person who does, you. It's not fair to you and it's not fair to the people who play here in good faith under a very clear posted set of rules.

Amelinda, i've said this to you privately and now i'm saying it publicly. You cannot be the only person addressing these rules given the tools available to you and the expectation that we follow the rules. There aren't actually 3 people who deal with the issues and that hasn't been close to true for a long time.

We can:
a) scrap the rules, go wild west style
or
b) empower more people to actually handle problems, with a transparent appeals process and data available publicly to shut up these he said/she said that come about every week.

There's no in between. There can't be. We've tried that for 6 months and it's a complete and utter failure. You have a real life and real problems - and this *isn't your job*. Rogean doesn't respond to raid petitions and hasn't given a crap about them for a very long time - again, this is his hobby, so that's his prerogative. If that wasn't true, we've had back the loot from *last july* that he promised us and we've bumped the petitions regarding repeatedly.

This is not a status quo that works. Drastic things have to happen, whether that's scrapping the rules entirely or adding non-classic (mob shouting FTE, etc) mechanics.

edit: +1 for it being completely asinine that the variance is still 4 days on mobs with no patch days. It inevitably separates high value targets and absolutely encourages these FTE poopsock sessions.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What happenned here? One person posted a legitimate problem. Immediately, people who are on the other side of the most recent issue that highlighted the problem (stealin, etc) jumped in and tried to muddy the waters / confuse the actual problem.

ah yes, I immediately ( 20hrs later immediately ) jumped on this thread to muddy the waters and confuse the actual problem.

It's quite apparent to every stupid fuck on the forums.

Shiftin proves once again, he can not make a point/statement without trying to throw in a petty jab here or there.

[Shiftin]

I appreciate you bolstering my point by ignoring the meat of what I wrote and trying to divert attention from the real problem. Wonderfully self aware of you and not at all what I was referring to.

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This, and the resulting commentary, are an awesome (not in a good way) microcosm of the actual problem that led to this OP and what you know i'm ready to unload.

What happenned here? One person posted a legitimate problem. Immediately, people who are on the other side of the most recent issue that highlighted the problem (stealin, etc) jumped in and tried to muddy the waters / confuse the actual problem. IB folks responded taking the bait and going off the point. Then people who weren't even involved gave their fourty two cents. Things devolved rapidly, and the rules (of the forum in this case) were slowly then blatanly violated as things got worse. Then, 3 days later, someone with authority chimed in and tried to address the real issue, way too late.

It should be a very familiar pattern. It's not a slam on TMO, or IB, or VD, or BDA, or the dozen people who have never even raided here who think they have a valid opinion, it's just the very predictable cycle of events that happens on the server on an almost daily basis.

There are 3 people empowered to address issues, and 1 person who does, you. It's not fair to you and it's not fair to the people who play here in good faith under a very clear posted set of rules.

Amelinda, i've said this to you privately and now i'm saying it publicly. You cannot be the only person addressing these rules given the tools available to you and the expectation that we follow the rules. There aren't actually 3 people who deal with the issues and that hasn't been close to true for a long time.

We can:
a) scrap the rules, go wild west style
or
b) empower more people to actually handle problems, with a transparent appeals process and data available publicly to shut up these he said/she said that come about every week.

There's no in between. There can't be. We've tried that for 6 months and it's a complete and utter failure. You have a real life and real problems - and this *isn't your job*. Rogean doesn't respond to raid petitions and hasn't given a crap about them for a very long time - again, this is his hobby, so that's his prerogative. If that wasn't true, we've had back the loot from *last july* that he promised us and we've bumped the petitions regarding repeatedly.

This is not a status quo that works. Drastic things have to happen, whether that's scrapping the rules entirely or adding non-classic (mob shouting FTE, etc) mechanics.

edit: +1 for it being completely asinine that the variance is still 4 days on mobs with no patch days. It inevitably separates high value targets and absolutely encourages these FTE poopsock sessions.

Good points