Why do people say SK's do more DPS than Paladins? - Page 11

AgKnight · #1 06-09-2023, 04:26 PM

Regarding the SK/pal dps, the SK have a slight edge due to having more offense skill (but lower piercing skill to compensate) also their spells are generally more offensive and there's potentially a pet, but it's a marginal edge in raid with most boss being really hard to hit with spell and having ae rendering pets not really useable... The edge is bigger in exp group, but the paladin bring to the table some healing power. The classes are definitely not having the same ups/down but they are rather similar in term of tankiness and dps...

Ripqozko · #2 06-09-2023, 04:39 PM

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rather similar in term of tankiness and dps...

Yup exactly

DeathsSilkyMist · #3 06-09-2023, 04:49 PM

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Regarding the SK/pal dps, the SK have a slight edge due to having more offense skill (but lower piercing skill to compensate) also their spells are generally more offensive and there's potentially a pet, but it's a marginal edge in raid with most boss being really hard to hit with spell and having ae rendering pets not really useable... The edge is bigger in exp group, but the paladin bring to the table some healing power. The classes are definitely not having the same ups/down but they are rather similar in term of tankiness and dps...

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Yup exactly

With my pet alone I am dealing 20% more DPS over a Paladin with equivalent gear. That isn't a trivial amount, and OPs question is regarding DPS.

Ripqozko · #4 06-09-2023, 05:12 PM

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With my pet alone I am dealing 20% more DPS over a Paladin with equivalent gear. That isn't a trivial amount, and OPs question is regarding DPS.

Op didn't say in raids or groups, sorry you don't got raid. Imagine other people disagreeing with you other then me

DeathsSilkyMist · #5 06-09-2023, 06:11 PM

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Op didn't say in raids or groups, sorry you don't got raid. Imagine other people disagreeing with you other then me

I am not sure why you keep bringing up raids. You are bringing Knights to tank, not to DPS. You care about AC/HP/Resists. No raid is going to ask to see your Tunare Sword or Vulak Axe when tanking.

Knight DPS is relevant in solo/group content, where you can use pets and spells.

Crede · #6 06-09-2023, 06:26 PM

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With my pet alone I am dealing 20% more DPS over a Paladin with equivalent gear. That isn't a trivial amount, and OPs question is regarding DPS.

Given a max 58 pet can put up like 30 dps, it’s close to a 50% boost which is pretty insane. Unfortunately most people don’t realize this, because sk pets do suck up until lvl 52. Not to mention, it’s an extra 1400 hp extension of yourself with double fungi regen. I used mine to eat HTs in HS.

DeathsSilkyMist · #7 06-09-2023, 06:30 PM

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Given a max 58 pet can put up like 30 dps, it’s close to a 50% boost which is pretty insane. Unfortunately most people don’t realize this, because sk pets do suck up until lvl 52. Not to mention, it’s an extra 1400 hp extension of yourself with double fungi regen. I used mine to eat HTs in HS.

I am using the 58 pet, but it was only doing about 12 DPS with the few mobs I parsed. This was with strengthen death. Granted, I only parsed a few mobs, so it isn't a huge data set.

Are you using a pet weapon?

I do love using the pet for eating HTs, saves a lot of HP in zones like HS, and you don't need to waste an eye.

Crede · #8 06-09-2023, 06:32 PM

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I am using the 58 pet, but it was only doing about 12 DPS with the few mobs I parsed. This was with just strengthen death as a buff.

Are you using a pet weapon?

I do love using the pet for eating HTs, saves a lot of HP in zones like HS, and you don't need to waste an eye.

I think snagges has the parse. Deadwood staves are a nice throwaway for these. Your pet was 2nd worst as well. Those 4 levels would make a big difference.

Either way, pally/sk raid dps who cares. Sk win in groups/solo, which is all that is truly relevant to a knight because if you’re depending on knight raid dps you’ve already lost.

AgKnight · #9 06-10-2023, 05:22 AM

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With my pet alone I am dealing 20% more DPS over a Paladin with equivalent gear. That isn't a trivial amount, and OPs question is regarding DPS.

Yep, no trivial amount but that's almost only valid out of raid, and in single group, when your healing is limited the extra healing might worth it, when not, SK clearly are better for pug...

DeathsSilkyMist · #10 06-10-2023, 11:25 AM

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Yep, no trivial amount but that's almost only valid out of raid, and in single group, when your healing is limited the extra healing might worth it, when not, SK clearly are better for pug...

Again, I am not sure why you are bringing up raid DPS for a class that is not a raid DPS class, and is often swapped to another class. It is like saying Mage DPS is bad because Mages don't use their pets in raids.

Both Paladins and Shadowknights are great in groups. OP is asking about DPS, and Shadowknights deal more DPS.