Sleeper being awoken tonight (April 13th)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The live servers make this content irrelevant. I am not sure why that concept is difficult for you to understand. try again.

That point is irrelevant, that is what you don't understand. People wouldn't have ever woken the Sleeper if it was a bad mechanic that people hated, regardless of the era or the current content. There is obviously something fun about waking Sleeper, which is why people still do it to this day, whether it is on P99 or the progression servers.

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still waiting

I know you are. You aren't here to have a conversation, you are just trolling or are ignorant. Either way you have lost the argument many pages ago lol. I will totally have a proper conversation with you again if you can actually say something of substance.

[Goldknyght]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That point is irrelevant, that is what you don't understand. People wouldn't have ever woken the Sleeper if it was a bad mechanic that people hated, regardless of the era or the current content. There is obviously something fun about waking Sleeper, which is why people still do it to this day, whether it is on P99 or the progression servers.



I know you are. You aren't here to have a conversation, you are just trolling or are ignorant. Either way you have lost the argument many pages ago lol. I will totally have a proper conversation with you again if you can actually say something of substance.

The only one trolling is you because your entire argument revolves around the manastone and live servers that make the content irrelevant because newer content was added making the event an event. P99 doesnt get this. its stuck in this timeline and this event ends the timeline. This is what you dont understand.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only one trolling is you because your entire argument revolves around the manastone and live servers that make the content irrelevant because newer content was added making the event an event. P99 doesnt get this. its stuck in this timeline and this event ends the timeline. This is what you dont understand.

Again, you are getting confused. The fact that P99 is a static timeline is why Manastone and Sleeper are simply timers lol. It's because P99 isn't evolving dynamically, it is simply activating content at specified times. That is a timer. Sleeper is also a timer by vote. Players know if they wake the Sleeper it is a one time event. So every day they vote to keep him Sleeping, or wake him. Yes, they could extend this timer to the end of the server, but that isn't a guarantee, and statistically speaking the less likely choice. It is obvious players like waking the Sleeper, which is why the keep doing it lol, even on progression servers like Aradune.

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why can't you just show me where it is within the official time line?

Because you are just trolling. There is nothing of substance in your question. Either you really don't understand basic concepts like timers, or you are just being stubborn. Either way you aren't making yourself look smart lol.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know you are. You aren't here to have a conversation, you are just trolling or are ignorant. Either way you have lost the argument many pages ago lol. I will totally have a proper conversation with you again if you can actually say something of substance.

Why can't you just show me where it is within the official time line?

[fortior]

I hope the next time the first group to enter ST just wakes the sleeper right away

[Skarne]

My biggest concern about this conversation is the definition of the word "timer". See below:

Timer
1.
an automatic mechanism for activating a device at a preset time.

The Manastone is on a timer for removal...there is no disputing that. It's set and has been since the devs figured out the classic timeline.


The sleeper, however, is on a player determined trigger. It's not a timer, it's a trigger set by the devs for activation. Who activates the trigger? The players. In a perfect world once a server agreed to allow the sleeper to keep sleeping, it could be sleeping for the life of the server.

This doesn't mean that will happen, and more often than not, some guild will go against server wishes and trigger the event because it's fun to be the "best guild".

Having said that and after reading this forum thread I do believe the sleeper was indeed meant to be awakened. It would've happened eventually whether it was ST or Kingdom or whoever. The issue seems to be the manner in which the sleeper was triggered.

I recommend moving on because there's nothing anyone can do at this point, and those who didn't get to experience the sleeper's tomb on green can put forth the work and get there on the next server's life cycle.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having said that and after reading this forum thread I do believe the sleeper was indeed meant to be awakened. It would've happened eventually whether it was ST or Kingdom or whoever. The issue seems to be the manner in which the sleeper was triggered.

I have no problem with this

Intent is fine. My only issue is comparing it to manastone which is retarded and stupid because it's not even remotely the same thing.

[Skarne]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no problem with this

Intent is fine. My only issue is comparing it to manastone which is retarded and stupid because it's not even remotely the same thing.

Agreed

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no problem with this

Intent is fine. My only issue is comparing it to manastone which is retarded and stupid because it's not even remotely the same thing.

Can no longer get manastone, can no longer get warder loot. Seems similar enough to me. I think there is a very small percentage of people that actually like that they got those items and no one can ever get them again. DSM makes a good point that changes happened organically back in the day. Since we aren't going past Velious, we are left with people with an unfair advantage forever. But maybe that's what the devs wanted and intended.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can no longer get manastone, can no longer get warder loot. Seems similar enough to me. I think there is a very small percentage of people that actually like that they got those items and no one can ever get them again. DSM makes a good point that changes happened organically back in the day. Since we aren't going past Velious, we are left with people with an unfair advantage forever. But maybe that's what the devs wanted and intended.

Exactly. The P99 developers purposely created the code to remove Manastone, and to have Sleeper permanently despawn the Warders. It isn't like the P99 developers were stuck with the code and are forced down this path. They chose to put it in, and therefore it is their intent for it to work like this. The P99 developers could easily make Manastone a permanent drop table item, or keep Warders spawning if they wanted to.