What's the deal with shcool teachers?

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Mota [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10 year olds in China learn Algebra. "Advanced" US kids don't even start that until 12 or 13. a 17/18 year old US high school grad has about the same math skill as a 14 year old Chinese kid.

Is teacher pay an issue? For the teachers, yes. For the quality of education the kids receive, it's largely a red herring. US education is in the crapper for first world nations, and not because we don't throw enough money at it.

I'm arguing it's because we did not throw enough money at it, when we had the chance, before all the good educators left and the system became a total dumpster fire.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm arguing it's because we did not throw enough money at it, when we had the chance, before all the good educators left and the system became a total dumpster fire.

It's a general comment, not directed at you. But again the point isn't throwing money at the right time or place. A major issue is our system is slow. It treats kids like morons who can't learn, and is compounded by the silly anti-math, anti-intellect stances large swaths of the US seem to posses.

Maybe if we shoveled money at the right time somebody would have said something about the pace of education. I dunno. But it's clear our current system lags beyond what children are capable of. If China did it with less money and more kids "the greatest country in the world" should be able to figure it out.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Mota [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a general comment, not directed at you. But again the point isn't throwing money at the right time or place. A major issue is our system is slow. It treats kids like morons who can't learn, and is compounded by the silly anti-math, anti-intellect stances large swaths of the US seem to posses.

Maybe if we shoveled money at the right time somebody would have said something about the pace of education. I dunno. But it's clear our current system lags beyond what children are capable of. If China did it with less money and more kids "the greatest country in the world" should be able to figure it out.

Ok but hear me tout.

Throwing money at problem, does solve it. It's how we built rockets that took us to the moon, or bridges that connect trade between nations.

And I think it's important to clarify that china has thrown huge amounts of money at education, it spends 50% more per student at an elementary school level than the US does and while america spends somehere around 12k per student at a college level the Chinese goverment spends around 40-50k USD per year, so I would argue china does throw money at its problems, including education, and so china did do it, with money!

None of what mankind has achived is done without capital, from the pyramids to the rockets that will take us to mars, and if the education system had capital, all the problems you speak of can be solved, like they were in china, which has virtually no education system to speak of when the EQ generation's parents were in school.

Edit: was gonna fix tout auto correct but it is a good pun cus I am trying to sell this idea hehe

[Mota]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok but hear me tout.

Throwing money at problem, does solve it. It's how we built rockets that took us to the moon, or bridges that connect trade between nations.

And I think it's important to clarify that china has thrown huge amounts of money at education, it spends 50% more per student at an elementary school level than the US does and while america spends somehere around 12k per student at a college level the Chinese goverment spends around 40-50k USD per year, so I would argue china does throw money at its problems, including education, and so china did do it, with money!

None of what mankind has achived is done without capital, from the pyramids to the rockets that will take us to mars, and if the education system had capital, all the problems you speak of can be solved, like they were in china, which has virtually no education system to speak of when the EQ generation's parents were in school.

Edit: was gonna fix tout auto correct but it is a good pun cus I am trying to sell this idea hehe

China spends about 3.5T yuan (about $520B) on our equivalent of public education. The US spends about $720B/year. China spends less than the US in absolute terms, and far less per capita. Even China's total expenses of 5T yuan, that includes college, only equals $738B. They spend as much on their whole system as the US does on K-12.

"Throw money at it" is clearly not the answer.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm arguing it's because we did not throw enough money at it, when we had the chance, before all the good educators left and the system became a total dumpster fire.

Yeah fucking right. Throw even more money at it, and where does that money go? It goes towards special education and accessibility bullshit garnered around slowing down curriculum so that down-syndrome David can learn how to roll his poop into "spheres" instead of balls.

The curriculum at its core is all about indocrinating children with 1984-style newspeak, and reading barely coherent diatribes from a jazzy wakandan written in the civil rights era and teaching white people thwir peices of shit for jews owning 60% of the american slaves while also owning literally 100%of the slave trade ships and supply chain.

Lack of money. Ffs.

[Jibartik]

Name one thing that exists that exists because money didn't come first.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Name one thing that exists that exists because money didn't come first.

Bankrupt the government beurocracracy hoarding all of the schools actual financing. Theyre collecting enough in property taxes as it is, but their own systems are fucking them out of actually seeing that in their paychecks on the ground level. The majority of their financing is disproportionately routed toward the hierarchy of their non-teaching positions.

[Jibartik]

If anyone says Christianity or Buddhism... so help me. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jibartik]

None of which would be a problem if they had the funding to run at a halfway decent pace.

What would you suggest could solve this problem you speak of I wonder, if not funding?

Edit: I want to circle back, this concept of bankrupting the system was the culture that I was speaking of that bankrupted the system!

Is it a dumpsterfire, yes.

Is it fixable, yea.

As other posters have said China did it, and if they did it (with money!) from way worse off than we are now, we can fix it here.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would you suggest could solve this problem you speak of I wonder, if not funding?

Bankrupt the government beurocracracy hoarding all of the schools actual financing. Theyre collecting enough in property taxes as it is, but their own systems are fucking them out of actually seeing that in their paychecks on the ground level. The majority of their financing is disproportionately routed toward the hierarchy of their non-teaching positions.

Why do you ask me stupid ficking questions when i already gave you the answer.