Newsflash: <Doljonipals>

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That said, they know that class R has an agreement within itself and C class is where it's at for real competition.

No, class R doesn't have an agreement. That's simply not accurate. The other guilds in class R have an agreement. It's not the same thing. If Lord Bob guild wants to do their own thing, they don't require the permission of the other guilds. Period. It doesn't matter how many agreements you have in place or who they are with. Unless and until you get the staff to enforce a rotation, all of this whining and bitching at them is nothing more than hot air. Meanwhile, they get to compete for FTE for every mob they want, as long as they don't break the rules. And those rules say nothing about rotations. You can whine at them and bitch about them all you want and the only people you'll be hurting is yourselves because ultimately, LordBobGuild is ultimately in charge of what mob they get, not some committee of busybodies who decides when or if they get a turn.

[radditsu]

<Dirty Richards>

[Estolcles]

Go Europa! *cheers his guild!*

[Nuggie]

so moral of this story is Dolj wants to do their own thing, a thing that is against what most others in their tier want to do. And its within the rules.

Within the rules and obnoxious.

Fair assessment?

[Tongpow]

i like to roleplay im a time traveller sent back to save everyone's soul from shit like instances,rotations,pok books..etc

[oddibemcd]

I'm in an R guild and I respect what LB is doing and I don't even think it's obnoxious.

First, if they really want to move up to C guild raiding, they need experience in racing. There is a big difference between getting two hours to set up for a Trak pull and two minutes. So, if they ever want to learn those nuances (which I sure as hell don't know...but I know they exist) the only way to get that experience is to race class R guilds.

Second, people claim they are picking on guilds...but they aren't winning those races yet. Why would they want to race BDA when they can't win a race against a guild with many fewer members? If LB starts to consistently win races against Supremacy, Ni...I'd expect the to start racing AG/Europa, if they start winning those races, then they'd race Div...Taken...BDA. Why would they want to start racing against the guilds that they'd have very little chance against? They'd want to develop strategies and then move up. If 12 months from now they just block one guild from their targets, then it'd be time to name call, not now.

Third, it makes everyone step up their game. Just because the vast majority of Class-R guilds are in agreement now, they might not be later. All guilds need to learn not just mob strategies...but fast mob strategies. It can only help once Velious arrives. Part of the big TMO complaint wasn't just that we couldn't kill mobs, it was we couldn't even get a chance to know if we could. Guilds that have never killed Trak, CT, Sev, VS are going to learn how to kill these mobs...but at some point will need to know how to kill mobs under pressure.

TL[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]R GL Lord Bob.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by oddibemcd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm in an R guild and I respect what LB is doing and I don't even think it's obnoxious.

First, if they really want to move up to C guild raiding, they need experience in racing. There is a big difference between getting two hours to set up for a Trak pull and two minutes. So, if they ever want to learn those nuances (which I sure as hell don't know...but I know they exist) the only way to get that experience is to race class R guilds.

Second, people claim they are picking on guilds...but they aren't winning those races yet. Why would they want to race BDA when they can't win a race against a guild with many fewer members? If LB starts to consistently win races against Supremacy, Ni...I'd expect the to start racing AG/Europa, if they start winning those races, then they'd race Div...Taken...BDA. Why would they want to start racing against the guilds that they'd have very little chance against? They'd want to develop strategies and then move up. If 12 months from now they just block one guild from their targets, then it'd be time to name call, not now.


TL[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]R GL Lord Bob.

Then initially they should be racing the easier guilds. They're racing AG and Europa - and on the same mob - why not choose an easier guild/mob?

Their current strategy makes no sense unless they're after a specific drop for a specific person. (a big nono)

I fully expect once they've raced and beaten BDA atleast once they'll attempt to race the C guilds. If that doesn't materialise, the term dickheads is fully justified. Ofcourse, shitting up the sky agreement that even the class C guilds have agreed to is a dick move in itself - there really is no argument there.

TL[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]R Their current strategy doesn't tie in with what they're saying.

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by oddibemcd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm in an R guild and I respect what LB is doing and I don't even think it's obnoxious.

LB are perfectly within their rights to attempt to snipe mobs from other R guilds but the other R guild do have a right to find them obnoxious, and ridicule their attempts at mobs.

Seems to me the more reasonable approach for a guild trying to gain raid experience is milk the R rotation and FFA/off-window mobs, work out their raid strats and get geared, then start competing with the heavy hitters in the R tier. If I was a Doljo member I'd be pissed off at the leadership for the approach they've taken so far!

Regards,
Mg

[hynch]

I'm in KWSN and I support Bob Guild. Rotations are boring! Go play WoW!

[Miser]

Yeah, looks like it's just Dolj in class R that isn't in support of the rotation.

*rolls eyes*

I wonder if you removed guild tags from the equation, and let each person's vote count, how "unanimous" this rotation would be. Also, gotta love people calling Dolj obtuse when they also think that class C is where we should be playing. Nefarum pretty much hit this on the head...

Why is there nothing between shitting in socks and taking turns, in your world? Why can't there be casual competition between (more or less) equals?