Duration of Shared Grp XP Penalties

[OngorDrakan]

Why not just remove hybrid shared exp. penalties? If people stop grouping with hybrids, that alienates people in our community and then you have people who leave and the community could shrink. Is it worth the community shrinking to keep something like that in? Really?

Look at the big picture here. A person who loves playing a Ranger/SK/Paladin/Bard/Whatever sees that people won't group with them because of their class. How would it make you feel if nobody wanted a Cleric? Or a Druid? Or a Warrior? I'd be pretty pissed since soloing isn't a huge option for some of them. Is it worth it for the classic re-make to have that in there? I don't think so. It hurts more than it "relives classic EQ".

[guineapig]

I say good riddance to all the shelved hybrids.
Makes it that much easier for my hybrid alts to find groups!

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[Lucrio40]

Alright, just going to make sure I understand this. In the name of being "classic" things are going to be changed to purposely not be classic, and only certain things, that are able to be implemented (i.e. things that can't be implemented like old skeletons, are obviously excluded from that statement) are going to be picked and chosen to be put in.

I'm not not in favor of making things like WoW, hell xp could come at twice the rate it does now and it'd still not be anything like WoW. However, if you're on the kick of picking and choosing what goes into this server from classic then why only pick the stuff that seems to negatively effect players.

[Pico]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't answer the question because there wasn't one.

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And yet you make giant leaps in logic by saying players who want the shared penalties removed want P1999 to be some super easy WoW-fest.

[Striiker]

Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a moderately twinked 19 warrior. He has two obsidian shards and still has trouble maintaining aggro. If there is a monk or rogue in the group they're going to be tanking a lot unless they back off the dps. If the mob is yellow or higher, I can't even taunt it. You receive an 11%-18% penalty, depending on race, from adding a hybrid to your group. IMO, its worth it.

I agree with you. I play an enchanter and it was great having two paladins busy keeping aggro off me. The same can be said when I grouped with a couple of shadowknights. I have no problems grouping with hybrids regardless of race etc. In fact, I personally would be inclined to grab an SK / Paladin for the agro reasons. (I get spanked a lot less this way by angry mobs).
I was trying to point out though that the server has more than its share of people who focus solely on XP and will now pass on certain classes if they can. It's sad but true. I am certain though that hybrid and racials will have no issues getting into most groups but the times when one can't get a group sucks a lot.

[Ihealyou]

Originally Posted by Striiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with you. I play an enchanter and it was great having two paladins busy keeping aggro off me. The same can be said when I grouped with a couple of shadowknights. I have no problems grouping with hybrids regardless of race etc. In fact, I personally would be inclined to grab an SK / Paladin for the agro reasons. (I get spanked a lot less this way by angry mobs).
I was trying to point out though that the server has more than its share of people who focus solely on XP and will now pass on certain classes if they can. It's sad but true. I am certain though that hybrid and racials will have no issues getting into most groups but the times when one can't get a group sucks a lot.

I wasn't trying to say that you are one of those xp uber alles people. I guess I could have made my post a little more clear [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I completely agree with you. Even people that want to grind out xp as fast as possible need to consider more than just xp per kill. Is the healer having trouble keeping up because the warrior can't keep aggro? Is your group going to wipe because there's no chanter, and you don't want to invite a bard? People need to consider the fact that hybrids can improve the group. If you're killing twice as fast, it doesn't matter that you have an 11% xp penalty.

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And yet you make giant leaps in logic by saying players who want the shared penalties removed want P1999 to be some super easy WoW-fest.

Once again, close but not exactly. That particular comment referred to race penalties in general.

[Pico]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again, close but not exactly. That particular comment referred to race penalties in general.

Nope.

Originally Posted by Toony

Eh I hope not. Seeing a lvl 50+ Troll SK back in the day was impressive, you knew they had persevered a lotta BS to get there.

Please don't make this some WoW'like Kumbaya lets all hold hands and give all the retards a trophy so no one feels left out kinda thing.

That was a reply to someone asking if there could be a compromise in the way shared xp penalties affect groups.

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope.

Yep. I was referring to penalties in general.

[purist]

Toony, no. Just no. Here you go, since evidently you have the reading comprehension ability of a mongoloid with down's syndrome.

Originally Posted by Purist

Isn't there some sort of compromise that can be reached here? Like, for example, if a group has only one hybrid then the shared exp penalty is omitted or lessened for non-hybrid group members. And if a group has more than one hybrid, the exp penalty is shared?

Originally Posted by Toony

Eh I hope not. Seeing a lvl 50+ Troll SK back in the day was impressive, you knew they had persevered a lotta BS to get there.

Please don't make this some WoW'like Kumbaya lets all hold hands and give all the retards a trophy so no one feels left out kinda thing.

Originally Posted by Purist

Actually, if you read my post, I was quite clear that all hybrid xp penalties should remain as they are. That's in terms of the penalty's effect on hybrid PCs themselves.

In fact, I think what I suggested was rather modest. What I said was maybe there could be some sort of relief for the non-hybrid group members who currently share the burden of their fellow hybrid groupie's class penalty if there was only one hybrid in the group. Allow me to spell it out, since you don't seem to understand. So, in a group with 1 Paladin/Ranger/Shadow Knight + and 5 other non-hybrids, the Paladin/Ranger/Shadow Knight still receives the full hybrid class xp penalty, but the rest of the group gets some kind of break since there's only one hybrid in the group. On the other hand, if the party has more than one hybrid, like a Paladin + Ranger + 4 others, then full shared hybrid class xp penalties remains in full effect.

Anyway, I was just brainstorming a random idea in order to forge some sort of compromise on the shared-group hybrid xp penalty issue.

You made a dumbass evocation of WoW (the last refuge of a retard with no argument) and chalked in the word "kumbaya" for good measure and then presented it as a rational argument. Then, when you got called on your shit you didn't reply. Don't try to backtrack now and make shit up about how you "were referring to racial penalties" (lol wtf?).