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[Ahldagor]

why doesn't lebron james play like that all the time in the playoffs and finals?

[Drayc]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why doesn't lebron james play like that all the time in the playoffs and finals?

Have you ever played a sport in your life to ask a question like that? You think Jordan... Kobe... Wilt...Bill had triple doubles every game... Basketball is a rythm game if you have it you have it... Its hard to force it.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Drayc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you ever played a sport in your life to ask a question like that? You think Jordan... Kobe... Wilt...Bill had triple doubles every game... Basketball is a rythm game if you have it you have it... Its hard to force it.

i have, and you speculate. i wasn't referring to his triple double, but to that way he played in the fourth quarter and overtime. he took over like he can and should in the second and fourth (team seems to like the third tho), and was also leaning on how he played in last years finals. spoelstra finally said stop parker to him the way he said stop durant last year. what i really don't get is how a 28year old current player has a legacy already.

[Drayc]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i have, and you speculate. i wasn't referring to his triple double, but to that way he played in the fourth quarter and overtime. he took over like he can and should in the second and fourth (team seems to like the third tho), and was also leaning on how he played in last years finals. spoelstra finally said stop parker to him the way he said stop durant last year. what i really don't get is how a 28year old current player has a legacy already.

Well, I get what you are saying about the legacy thing... I mean people were talking about it before he won anything. But... the fact is everyone knows he is great, how great that is yet to be seen. No one gets as much hate and love at the same time if they are not great.

He came into the nba out of highschool with a 100 million dollar contract before he set foot on the floor. He has an absurd nike deal, one that may only be passed by Wades Lining Deal, if his shoes are ever released in the US.

Off topic, one thing that still gets me is that people hate him for doing the "decision" the way he did. Yet people either don't care or don't know that his little live ESPN The Decision special raised over 6 million dollars for various charities "it is known". It was a whole special put together by agent Ari Emanuel with ESPN.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Drayc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I get what you are saying about the legacy thing... I mean people were talking about it before he won anything. But... the fact is everyone knows he is great, how great that is yet to be seen. No one gets as much hate and love at the same time if they are not great.

He came into the nba out of highschool with a 100 million dollar contract before he set foot on the floor. He has an absurd nike deal, one that may only be passed by Wades Lining Deal, if his shoes are ever released in the US.

Off topic, one thing that still gets me is that people hate him for doing the "decision" the way he did. Yet people either don't care or don't know that his little live ESPN The Decision special raised over 6 million dollars for various charities "it is known". It was a whole special put together by agent Ari Emanuel with ESPN.

the media needs its stories to dish for ratings/revenue. they hyped him from the start and created the new overman for basketball, and he gave it all the finger and decided to play with his friends. fully supported him then and now cause he's having fun, winning more, and raking in tons of cash (proly literally if weighed out). that whole episode was bs grandstanding from anyone who didn't want to read the reality, but consume the story...my cynical two cents on that. will he be better than jordan?, depends on how people want to see the comparison, and bill russell is the best ever. the rings argument...robert horry has more rings than jordan...

[Drayc]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the media needs its stories to dish for ratings/revenue. they hyped him from the start and created the new overman for basketball, and he gave it all the finger and decided to play with his friends. fully supported him then and now cause he's having fun, winning more, and raking in tons of cash (proly literally if weighed out). that whole episode was bs grandstanding from anyone who didn't want to read the reality, but consume the story...my cynical two cents on that. will he be better than jordan?, depends on how people want to see the comparison, and bill russell is the best ever. the rings argument...robert horry has more rings than jordan...

I was listening to an Open Court discussion on NBA TV where they were talking about Legacies, I think that was the name of the episode "Legacy" where one of the guys said it's almost impossible to compare players to players when they have never played against one another.

Instead he went on to say that the best player argument is generational, IE people that watched Michael is his prime will always think he is the best. A lot of us now watched Michael.. but lets say 15 years... 25 years from now... will Michael still be held that high? who knows.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Drayc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was listening to an Open Court discussion on NBA TV where they were talking about Legacies, I think that was the name of the episode "Legacy" where one of the guys said it's almost impossible to compare players to players when they have never played against one another.

Instead he went on to say that the best player argument is generational, IE people that watched Michael is his prime will always think he is the best. A lot of us now watched Michael.. but lets say 15 years... 25 years from now... will Michael still be held that high? who knows.

that's a good point. and true for a lot. we have recordings, but the mood or feel of the players in the moment isn't as authentic as it was while watching live. we're not going to get the feel of russell playing against wilt, but the sense of history is important to have. inherently, the arguments have no validity because it's a subjective operating frame, but it's fun to discuss.