WoW so followed EQ

[quellren]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man, I have friends that love EQ but won't even touch the DAoC emu server because that game is so hardcore. Strange to lump it with WoW.

Same guy who had more than 1 50 on P99 gave up the DAoC grind.

I lumped them together because I remember feeling the same way in DAoC as I did in WoW. The majority of the player base would just as soon laugh and tea-bag your corpse as rez you. Or at least want a bunch of money for a 5 second cast and a few ticks of mana that regens in 15 seconds.
They wouldn't run to help you even a whit. A 'Your death is not my problem' mentality.
I don't feel that way in EQ nearly as much.

I have no idea what you're referring to in regards to the DAoC grind, but then I did play a BoneDancer. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Did it change drastically? Either way, I'd never consider the lvl grind hardcore, especially PvE up through ToA. I didn't plat beyond that. How hard can it be? once you have one lvl 50, you got to start every new alt at 20.

Originally Posted by EvilMallet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WoW is all of the good parts (in the dev's opinions) of all successful mmos before it.

WoW could have stood on the shoulders of giants and been just that, all the best parts of those that paved the way. Then the 12 year olds without social etiquette and the e-peen contests ruined it.

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I lumped them together because I remember feeling the same way in DAoC as I did in WoW. The majority of the player base would just as soon laugh and tea-bag your corpse as rez you. Or at least want a bunch of money for a 5 second cast and a few ticks of mana that regens in 15 seconds.
They wouldn't run to help you even a whit. A 'Your death is not my problem' mentality.
I don't feel that way in EQ nearly as much.

I have no idea what you're referring to in regards to the DAoC grind, but then I did play a BoneDancer. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Did it change drastically? Either way, I'd never consider the lvl grind hardcore, especially PvE up through ToA. I didn't plat beyond that. How hard can it be? once you have one lvl 50, you got to start every new alt at 20.

Yeah dude, I quit before Bone Dancers were even part of the game. Pre-ToA grind was fucking hellish, and the community was the best of any MMO I've ever played. There was a lot of "us vs. them" realm camaraderie. You actually felt like part of a team, and many had a "helping a stranger is helping the realm" mentality. I'm not sure how the game changed post-ToA as I quit during SI.

DAOC leveling is like EQ with no hell levels, until 40. 40-50 is one giant fucking hell level.

[EvilMallet]

once they added 1-5 player instances in DAoC leveling was extremely easy.

[quellren]

Man you missed out on the BoneDancer. Think EQ necro, with no lifetaps or funny utility spells, just Nukes and dots. *BUT*with MULTIPLE pets. after lvl 25-ish they have a skeleton Tank pet thats roughly the durability of a chain wearer PLUS up to 2 archers or mages that are about 5-8 lvls lower AND a healer pet that's 8-10 lvls behind the caster.... it's almost like a Diablo 2 necromancer in an MMO. I'd literally find a dungeon with mobs 5 levels below me and go AFK while my army camped the room. They needed a PvE nerf-bat in the worst way. In PvP they were kinda harmless, but super-freaking annoying to casters and squishy DPS.

[UrsusMajor]

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man you missed out on the BoneDancer. Think EQ necro, with no lifetaps or funny utility spells, just Nukes and dots. *BUT*with MULTIPLE pets. after lvl 25-ish they have a skeleton Tank pet thats roughly the durability of a chain wearer PLUS up to 2 archers or mages that are about 5-8 lvls lower AND a healer pet that's 8-10 lvls behind the caster.... it's almost like a Diablo 2 necromancer in an MMO. I'd literally find a dungeon with mobs 5 levels below me and go AFK while my army camped the room. They needed a PvE nerf-bat in the worst way. In PvP they were kinda harmless, but super-freaking annoying to casters and squishy DPS.

Hahaha, man did you play the wrong spec. BD with no lifetaps? Are you serious? You're only talking about either Darkess (mage pets) or Bone Army (melee/archer pets). Until they nerfed the Suppression spec, it was the ONLY way to go for a BD. You had a an Instant life tap DD with no cooldown, your main pet that melee'd and 3 healer pets. Sup BD's would just sit there and tank multiple mobs/players while they life tapped them. their main pet melee'd they opponent and three other pets healed the BD.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by UrsusMajor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hahaha, man did you play the wrong spec. BD with no lifetaps? Are you serious? You're only talking about either Darkess (mage pets) or Bone Army (melee/archer pets). Until they nerfed the Suppression spec, it was the ONLY way to go for a BD. You had a an Instant life tap DD with no cooldown, your main pet that melee'd and 3 healer pets. Sup BD's would just sit there and tank multiple mobs/players while they life tapped them. their main pet melee'd they opponent and three other pets healed the BD.

^ #1 reason why EQ is >

Specs? Really? "There's X amount of ways you can play your character, but dont you dare Spec any differently than me!" This is why I stopped playing Allods Online actually. I played a Scout (2nd beta -> live), had my own completely made up way to play it. Unfortunately I decided to post my thoughts on the forum under a thread from some noob looking for some tips and you really wouldn't believe the flaming that went on.

"lol wtf you do XYZ??? nub that sux! spec ABC"

"really? because turns out i kill efficiently and can't remember the last time I died... but i guess if you're gaining .01xp/per minute more than me then yea I'm so sorry I went this route"

edit: absolutely no offense to the person I've quoted

[Overcast]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ #1 reason why EQ is >

Specs? Really? There's X amount of ways you can play your character, but dont you dare Spec any differently than me!

I was just thinking that too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the things I hated about other MMO's - all the specs and such should be 'viable'.

When it gets to the point where you must be 'such and such' spec to raid, group, or PvP - then, meh.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Overcast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was just thinking that too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the things I hated about other MMO's - all the specs and such should be 'viable'.

When it gets to the point where you must be 'such and such' spec to raid, group, or PvP - then, meh.

I just think MMOs that focus on allowing players to "spec" their class to go different routes are really taking on more than they can chew (yes even Blizzard with their $$). IMO to allow players to spec you must be able to honestly claim "every spec is as useful as every other spec". (impossible)If 1 of 10 Warrior Specs is better than the other 9... why the hell would anyone spec any differently than the 1 proven to be greater? More to the point, why the hell would a group prefer you (not talking personality/friends here) over the "better specd" person? The inherent flaw in the spec system is.... the spec system.

It's pretty similar to the gear you choose to wear in regard to equipping what best fits your type, and switching/swapping gear when necessary (resists for raids). Just because I want to play as an all Red Plate Ogre (Rubicite), that isn't really fair/feasible when I'm main tanking for a 50's group/raid. Herego, why high end players are all shooting for the exact same gearset. Whats best is.. well best, you can't argue it.

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[UrsusMajor]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ #1 reason why EQ is >

In your opinion, in mine AC > EQ but there are no AC EMU servers so I'm playing here.

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Specs? Really? "There's X amount of ways you can play your character, but dont you dare Spec any differently than me!" This is why I stopped playing Allods Online actually. I played a Scout (2nd beta -> live), had my own completely made up way to play it. Unfortunately I decided to post my thoughts on the forum under a thread from some noob looking for some tips and you really wouldn't believe the flaming that went on.

"lol wtf you do XYZ??? nub that sux! spec ABC"

"really? because turns out i kill efficiently and can't remember the last time I died... but i guess if you're gaining .01xp/per minute more than me then yea I'm so sorry I went this route"

edit: absolutely no offense to the person I've quoted

Sorry but I forgot to mention that one of the main reasons why Suppression was the only way to go was because Bone Army was gimped and Suppression provided much more defensive ability and the ability to stay alive than Darkness. The ability to stay alive and self heal in PvP is a huge advantage to a class.

I also stated that the poster was ignorant about his class. He said BD’s were like Necro’s but with no life tap. Which is incorrect. The most powerful spec when BD’s were introduced was the Suppression spec, because of it’s instant lifetap and healing pets.

Personally I don’t care whatever game you want to play but I happen to prefer games like UO, AC and to a certain extent DAoC where you allocate your skill points over games like EQ where each class gets the same basic abilities. Allocating your skills and developing your character makes you care more for that actual character than in say games like WoW.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by UrsusMajor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personally I don’t care whatever game you want to play but I personally prefer games like UO, AC and to a certain extent DAoC where you allocate your skill points over games like EQ where each class gets the same basic abilities.

Yet, you care so much about how someone else played their character. Why? Who cares if it was better? Sounds like he raped with his spec. Regardless, I did not post to argue/flame whatsoever, I really just wanted to illustrate how rediculous spec systems are currently.