The Destruction of Straightness

[Kagatob]

I still want a good Christian (I mean a homophobe) to give me a good description of when they chose to be heterosexual since to them sexual preference is obviously a choice.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still want a good Christian (I mean a homophobe) to give me a good description of when they chose to be heterosexual since to them sexual preference is obviously a choice.

Well, I'm not a homophobe, I actually am glad homosexuals are getting more rights, I do believe it is wrong to marry the same sex, but hey, at the end of the day I got my own problems to worry about. That being said though, it's not when or why we chose to be heterosexual, but most Christian religions believes that we we're created with agency. The issue that arises is homos who state they can't choose what they do, which is 100% against the belief in agency. What makes matters worse is those gay from religions that believe in it that deny having a choice.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I'm not a homophobe, I actually am glad homosexuals are getting more rights, I do believe it is wrong to marry the same sex, but hey, at the end of the day I got my own problems to worry about.

Believe it or not I agree with this =p

The whole marriage thing is honestly the church's realm and the state has no business interfering by creating new laws, just as the church has no business interfering with the state. Separation of. Theres a reason our forefathers, who would probably break off from current america looking for a new land to reform original america, implemented this they spent a lot of hard work and time designing a country that wouldn't have the problems ours has today. Citizens are arguing with each other, to the death at times, over two things that NEVER should have come close together.

That being said, theres no reason they don't deserve an equally blessed union maybe not one under the church but definitely one approved by society...

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I'm not a homophobe, I actually am glad homosexuals are getting more rights, I do believe it is wrong to marry the same sex, but hey, at the end of the day I got my own problems to worry about. That being said though, it's not when or why we chose to be heterosexual, but most Christian religions believes that we we're created with agency. The issue that arises is homos who state they can't choose what they do, which is 100% against the belief in agency. What makes matters worse is those gay from religions that believe in it that deny having a choice.

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Believe it or not I agree with this =p

The whole marriage thing is honestly the church's realm and the state has no business interfering by creating new laws, just as the church has no business interfering with the state. Separation of. Theres a reason our forefathers, who would probably break off from current america looking for a new land to reform original america, implemented this they spent a lot of hard work and time designing a country that wouldn't have the problems ours has today. Citizens are arguing with each other, to the death at times, over two things that NEVER should have come close together.

That being said, theres no reason they don't deserve an equally blessed union maybe not one under the church but definitely one approved by society...

Agreed, the government should get out of the marriage business entirely. The reality is that they won't but if people stop acknowledging this fact the problem will undoubtedly never go away.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still want a good Christian (I mean a homophobe) to give me a good description of when they chose to be heterosexual since to them sexual preference is obviously a choice.

the preference is irrelevant. the actions are what is supposedly a sin.

anyway, i never understood the fascination with "choice". it's a non-issue. if a pedophile tells you pedophilia isn't a choice, what would you say? oh, that's fine then? of course not. choice or not, don't touch a fucking kid.

similarly, if you grant that homosexuality is wrong, then it doesn't matter whether it's a choice or not.

it's just silly to say consensual sex between adults is wrong. but the matter of choice doesn't really have a role in it

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyway, i never understood the fascination with "choice". it's a non-issue. if a pedophile tells you pedophilia isn't a choice, what would you say? oh, that's fine then? of course not. choice or not, don't touch a fucking kid.

Why would you compare pedophilia to homosexuality? One is a form of abuse and the other is a lifestyle choice that has 0 negative effects to anyone. They have nothing in common and you should be ashamed of yourself to even try to make such a comparison.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would you compare pedophilia to homosexuality? One is a form of abuse and the other is a lifestyle choice that has 0 negative effects to anyone. They have nothing in common and you should be ashamed of yourself to even try to make such a comparison.

I think he was merely comparing attraction vs choice.

There was a young man that lived in a town ohh 3 or 4 towns away from mine. One day his father walked him and found him in a closet with his dog having sex with her. He claimed he loved the dog and wanted to marry it. What does Homosexuality have to do with pedophilia or both have to do with beastiality? nothing but in all circumstances its either an argument over a matter of natural attraction or choice...

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think he was merely comparing attraction vs choice.

There was a young man that lived in a town ohh 3 or 4 towns away from mine. One day his father walked him and found him in a closet with his dog having sex with her. He claimed he loved the dog and wanted to marry it. What does Homosexuality have to do with pedophilia or both have to do with beastiality? nothing but in all circumstances its either an argument over a matter of natural attraction or choice...

It's a ridiculous comparison to compare the 3 at all.

Pedophilia results in child abuse, the child suffers as a result 100% of the time and is non-consensual.

Bestiality results in likely animal abuse, we don't know whether or not the animal enjoys or desires the act (not advocating it, simply stating the fact we don't know) but the perpetrator of such still has no right to subject the animal to such because of a "possibility" existing that the animal will enjoy it. It cannot consent.

Homosexuality (particularly the homosexuality discussed herein) is the mutual love and gratification and satisfaction between two or more consenting adults.

It's disgusting to compare them at all.

[Rhambuk]

yes but there will always be people arguing back and forth "I can't help it I was born this way" or "It's a choice!" because we can't get that deep into the human mind to determine one way or the other. Thats all im saying.

I do agree with you =p

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes but there will always be people arguing back and forth "I can't help it I was born this way" or "It's a choice!" because we can't get that deep into the human mind to determine one way or the other. Thats all im saying.

I do agree with you =p

Just making sure.

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