the EVIDENCE that GOD exists is the FACT that EXISTENCE EXISTS

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Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

on the contrary, my entire argument is that the atrocities hitchens is so eager to ascribe to religion were not in any way diluted or lessened by a secular shift

i'm not saying secularism caused the atrocities of the 20th century. i'm saying a shift away from state religion and toward secular government did nothing to curb them. whether it was done for zeus, jesus, allah, the proletariat, aryan nation, or freedom didn't really impact the scope or magnitude of crimes against humanity

They all shared the concept of fanaticism. Every time some people came to the conclusion they were better than their neighbors for whatever reason they thought, it didn't end well.