How to enable Luclin Graphics

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by dallammarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only problem I have with this statement is its flawed when talking about graphics updates on a game and "how it was supposed to be" We all know that at the time of Luclin is when SOE bought out Verant and soon after Mcquaid left and all so thats when EQ became an abomination. But I dont attribute that to the graphics. I attribute that to many of the other BS implementations that SOE put in the game. Some were nice but most were crap and turned EQ into something else.

For all we know, had Verant remained at the helm of EQ, the graphics probably would have still been updated to keep up with the competition from other games comming out with better graphics. Ill admit that many of the Luclin models were crap and could have been done better. Maybe some people depise the Luclin models because it reminds them of when EQ started its downcline. But i just dont agree with saying that the 10 year old models were the way it was always suppose to be. Ite a better argument to say if you really want the Classic EQ expirience (or as close as possible) then use the bad textures and old models.

Personally I feel people should graphically be able to view the game however they want. I am the type of person who will do something for a while for the sake of nostalgia but then later I may want to use upgraded models/textures for a better visual expirience. I like the option to switch depending on my mood and I dont feel I or anyone else for that matter should be told to GTFO because they may feel this way. Yes I bought and played the game from august of 1999 - feb 2007 with many breaks after luclin and so on was launched. Many of us have. Thats probably why the nostalgia wears off here and there and we would like options. Just adding my 2cp.

Im not saying how it was meant to be on live, Im saying how P99 was meant to be played, with a classic, nostalgic feeling.

[soup]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you know that some EQ players pick the gear they wear based on how it looks on them instead of just the stats? Should they also GTFO in your world?

And when you do so, you still see it exactly how you want to see it, right? And if someone sees it differently, you never know the difference. Do you see people going "Damn.... I wonder if he sees me the way he's supposed to. I mean, he MIGHT see me as a Luclin model, and that makes things less fun for me."

How your character looks on other peoples screens when you never know the difference one way or another is such an incredibly trivial and asinine thing to worry about.

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im not saying how it was meant to be on live, Im saying how P99 was meant to be played, with a classic, nostalgic feeling.

This is true, but, if someone finds enjoyment for different reasons, is that really so bad?

I mean, I hate Luclin models, but I can't even fathom caring if someone else wants to use them.

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And when you do so, you still see it exactly how you want to see it, right? And if someone sees it differently, you never know the difference. Do you see people going "Damn.... I wonder if he sees me the way he's supposed to. I mean, he MIGHT see me as a Luclin model, and that makes things less fun for me."

How your character looks on other peoples screens when you never know the difference one way or another is such an incredibly trivial and asinine thing to worry about.


This is true, but, if someone finds enjoyment for different reasons, is that really so bad?

I mean, I hate Luclin models, but I can't even fathom caring if someone else wants to use them.

I think other than keeping it nostalgic, Dumesh made a very valid arguement as to why it effects the players that dont use models when others do.

Originally Posted by legendbyname [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you add a dial-up line to your computer to keep it "classic" too?

I was a lucky spoiled 19 year old and still lived at home with a job and payed for my own cable service. So never had to deal with dial-up on EQ, just UO.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think other than keeping it nostalgic, Dumesh made a very valid arguement as to why it effects the players that dont use models when others do.

And the problem is with his entire argument is he will never know the difference if someone is using different models. Like I said, I could go activate the models, even though I hate them, just to spite him, but it would be pointless because he would never know the difference, nor would anyone.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the problem is with his entire argument is he will never know the difference if someone is using different models. Like I said, I could go activate the models, even though I hate them, just to spite him, but it would be pointless because he would never know the difference, nor would anyone.

/shrug

I just expressed my preference and the reason for it.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And when you do so, you still see it exactly how you want to see it, right? And if someone sees it differently, you never know the difference. Do you see people going "Damn.... I wonder if he sees me the way he's supposed to. I mean, he MIGHT see me as a Luclin model, and that makes things less fun for me."

How your character looks on other peoples screens when you never know the difference one way or another is such an incredibly trivial and asinine thing to worry about.

There's not really any worrying going on here. I have a preference with regards to the issue in the thread, I stated it, and the reasons for it. You are free to disagree.

Perhaps with your style of play and interaction with other players it never comes up, but maybe the way I play the game and interact with other players (occasional roleplay) would involve comments on our respective appearances in ways that would be compromised if we were seeing different models.

Basically, I think it was a bad idea to introduce a second set of models and make them optional. If they were determined to make new models, they should have been mandatory (and they should have retained, if not expanded on, the variety and character of the original models, and should have been animated to at least the same quality level). If they could not achieve those goals they should have left the models alone.

[Critical Error]

The UI is not nostalgic. The internet speed is not nostalgic. The super detailed everyone already knows most things about classic zones, is not nostalgic.

I dont play this game to pretend like Im sitting around 10 years ago thinking about how I hate high school. I play because I like the fact that it is EQ, and it is progressing somewhat like how it was. I care about content, not cosmetics.

You dont want to look a certain way? Well what about people that would prefer to see something a certain way? Im sure there is some self-centered reason as to why people think everyone should see them as they want. But people got to choose what they looked like to themselves. And honestly, with the luclin graphics, you still pretty much look the same, not like robe or armor patterns change much, just doesnt look like your a block.

Im a fan of the megaman series. 1-6 were old nintendo graphics, another in my collection (8) is newer graphics. Do I even give a crap about the way it looks? No, as long as its the same great megaman game I lovee, why should it matter?

[Taryth]

The point of playing on a classic emu isn't strictly nostalgia. I actually feel that the gameplay is superior to most modern MMOs. That's not nostalgia.
So if I want the game to look better, then that's my choice.

You can RP the old vet all day (not specifically leveled at you, old barb vet guy, just your sentiment), and I'm not going to think of you as an old barbarian vet. So why does me seeing a young barb (or a large rabbit) make any difference if the distinction was never relevant to me in the first place? Stop worrying about control other peoples' experiences. That's really weird.


edit: not arguing for the devs to find a way to implement Luclin models. Just commenting on the rather odd desire to control others' graphics.