A Plea to the Staff of Project 1999

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/facepalm

It is his perception that it is an exploit because no GM has stated anything to reinforce the accusation! Someone using MQ to warp/target/whatever and a player dealing with buggy pathing on a raid mob is much different. They still had to fight the boss they still had to do the work. This is not High Keep bards we are dealing with where there was no risk. It was bugged pathing and it was reported many times on these forums by a representative of Transcendence.

You guys are really grasping at straws here. You are using "phinny pulled through a wall" as a effigy for your frustrations that you will have to actually accept a compromise. It is not working out for you guys.

Stop trying to over think the issue and shift the discussion to something that matters.

Like a solution for how to handle raid mobs.

You're an ignorant troll trying to get a rise, but in case others who are not so quick to make judgements based on ignorance are reading, I will explain.

Phinny is a pushover. He is the easiest "boss" in classic.

The four seahorses guarding phinny are *MUCH* harder to break and kill than phinegal.

We are *not* disputing trans's ability to kill phinegal, should they meet him in a proper encounter. What we *are* disputing is the method they used to pull phinegal past the seahorses without killing them. The bypassed the encounter as it was intended and on top of that they were warned about this specific behavior prior to doing it.

When trans killed "vox," she had no ae. Instead of stopping the encounter, repopping vox properly (which is well within tibador's powers and scope), and then continuing on a non-bugged vox, they killed her and looted her and waited until later to petition it.

trans and divinity attempted mayong, but he had no ae. secrets stopped the encounter and repopped mayong (again buggy, without the script as set by aeolwind after our last encounter with him).

When trans killed "mayong," he had no ae (sound familiar?). Instead of stopping the encounter, repopping mayong properly (which is well within tibador's powers and scope), and then continuing on a non-bugged mayong, they killed him and looted him (sound familiar?). The fact that secrets set the precedent for stopping the enounter should have sent a signal to trans that mayong was buggy and was supposed to have an ae. At this point apparently secrets logged. Tibador still had the opportunity to do the right thing, but chose to let his exploitative raidforce finish the encounter and obtain loot.

[Taluvill]

I'm not trying to cause a issue, but some people bringing up the Phinny encounter with Tibador+Allizia and others bringing up the whole Reiker deal seems like *somewhat* close to the same deal.

Both sides are being extremely hypocritical IMHO, regardless of which side I belong to. We all sound like high school girls rather than grown human beings. fuckin a haha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]




PS: I'm not an authority on either situation as I barely know Tiki/Reiker and have yet to be at a Phinny encounter here due to school and other RL things, so don't condemn me on either part, just trying to point out something [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not trying to cause a issue, but some people bringing up the Phinny encounter with Tibador+Allizia and others bringing up the whole Reiker deal seems like *somewhat* close to the same deal.

While I agree that the offenses are somewhat similar, there are two VERY important distinctions between the two situations.

One one hand you have Reiker. Reiker is a jackass. A very smart, very shrewd jackass. Reiker was a player on p1999 when he cheated. Reiker was caught and banned, and then unbanned due to the "letting the terrorists win" actions when they unbanned everyone.

Reiker was found to be cheating on MUCH less evidence that we have provided and banned immediately.

On the other hand, you have Tibador. Tibador is a GM. A very sloppy, very uncoordinated GM. Tibador was a GM when he cheated. Tibador was caught and admitted wrongdoing, but so far nothing has been done.

On the other hand, you have Allizia. Allizia is the guildleader of the guild which the GM's are so concerned about being fair with. Allizia was a guildleader when he cheated. Allizia was caught and admitted wrongdoing, but so far nothing has been done.

Tibador and Allizia are in positions of power. People in positions of power who abuse this power to break rules should be punished in a harsher way that normal people who break rules. YET NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. Reiker was a player. HE WAS BANNED INSTANTLY.

You really don't see the issue here?

[Hasbinbad]

So another bugged vox killed by Trans. Great work here guys. Way to be on the ball.

Can you do something now?
Do we need to get you more videos?

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I agree that the offenses are somewhat similar, there are two VERY important distinctions between the two situations.

One one hand you have Reiker. Reiker is a jackass. A very smart, very shrewd jackass. Reiker was a player on p1999 when he cheated. Reiker was caught and banned, and then unbanned due to the "letting the terrorists win" actions when they unbanned everyone.

Reiker was found to be cheating on MUCH less evidence that we have provided and banned immediately.

On the other hand, you have Tibador. Tibador is a GM. A very sloppy, very uncoordinated GM. Tibador was a GM when he cheated. Tibador was caught and admitted wrongdoing, but so far nothing has been done.

On the other hand, you have Allizia. Allizia is the guildleader of the guild which the GM's are so concerned about being fair with. Allizia was a guildleader when he cheated. Allizia was caught and admitted wrongdoing, but so far nothing has been done.

Tibador and Allizia are in positions of power. People in positions of power who abuse this power to break rules should be punished in a harsher way that normal people who break rules. YET NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. Reiker was a player. HE WAS BANNED INSTANTLY.

You really don't see the issue here?

alright, the only part of this i have an issue with is this:

A very sloppy, very uncoordinated GM.

I guess this isn't exactly an "attack" at someone, but you knew what was happening and when was meant when you said it, and i can't just sit back and watch someone bitch and complain about the guild leader.

I hate to bring this up, but Did you guys give back the loot for the first naggy kill when you had the hacked characters with you? I dont think you did, may be wrong though. I'm pretty positive we would give the loot back from the kills where we had any issues with, Phinny and Vox included(although don't let me speak for the guild...), seems close to the same situation, but with different technicalities obviously.

And Vox is supposed to be 6pm central tonight, So idk if they killed it, but i'll have to get on and see.




About the Reiker and Tib/Allizia thing, Yes, IMHO its the same situation. Yes he was cheating. Yes, Tib and Allizia Exploit pulled. Big fucking whoop. Does that mean that any encounter with reiker or group with reiker should have experience/loot gained revoked? No. Is the loot for phinny going to get revoked? most likely no.

Both situations were wrong, and all that i'm saying is that people keep dragging both situations up because its one of the few provable greivances we have with each other. We both know other things happened, just don't *always* have proof.

hehe Im just saying lets stop our fighting and complaining bullshit.

PS: go read Hasbinbads post on the idea for spawns, looks pretty tight. His idea (with my obvious modifications hehe) is my Number one, and Bubbles idea is my Number 2. Fun stuff tbh = D